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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Does the house need to pass it? Will the president veto it? When can I literally set my clock to this?

It's veto-proof anyway. A lot of states have already passed similar laws and are merely waiting on the Federal law to come into effect. So it's likely to become law soon.

iirc states can only choose to either participate in the biannual time-change or to be on standard time year-round.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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>Sunshine Protection Act Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. Won't someone please think of the children!

>Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling.

It's a bit ironic given the current anti-Russia everything when Russia is the largest country in the world on permanent DST. If the bill had been subject to debate instead of going through so fast, I suspect someone would have brought up the Russia connection and the whole thing would have died a quick death as "we don't want to be like the Russians".

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Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

I agree on permanent standard time, but just because I think it's silly to make the words "noon" and "midnight" permanently lies. Unless someone is at the edges of an extremely wide time zone solar noon and legal noon are generally to be within 30 minutes of each other. Likewise for midnight. With time zones generally set on hour intervals that's as good as it gets. In a "daylight savings only" world solar noon will…

It is.

If "people want more daylight hours after work" and it's worth making sweeping disruptive changes to make it happen...

Then just make the workday from 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5.

No no, instead of making a sane clock and using whatever times we want on it, it obviously makes more sense to make a messed up clock.

What other measuring implements and scales should we move around so the numbers please us better?

Everything is expensive, let's change the way any monetary value is written to be -1 based. Henceforth all prices shall be written on a scale that starts at -1 instead of 0. If a thing cost $4 yesterday, it now costs the same 4 dollars, but the price is written as $3. This will give e eryone more money! I call it permanent wallet saving prices!

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

I think I speak on behalf of most computer people when I say this: we prefer our extra hour of sunshine in the evenings not mornings.

Absolutely. Fuck mornings. I'd rather not be awake before noon in the first place.

Also, some states would have a real problem with permanent standard time. Maine, in particular really belongs in the Atlantic time zone, as standard time puts sunset way too early most of the year. Having the sun down by 4:00 sucks.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Does the house need to pass it? Will the president veto it? When can I literally set my clock to this?

It's veto-proof anyway. A lot of states have already passed similar laws and are merely waiting on the Federal law to come into effect. So it's likely to become law soon.

How does that work? I'm not an American, but I've heard the stories about some state that has three timezone because of an Indian reservation and some other stuff. I was under the impression that daylight savings was a state matter. Don't some states currently not observe DST while their neighbours do?

What is the federal government's role in this? Can a state ignore this (almost) law and do DST anyway?

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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As long as they eliminate the constant inane switching back and forth. Sleep disruption is harmful in many ways and all this practice seems to actually do, old wives' tales about farmers and circumstantial localized benefits aside, is induce it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5449130/

I'm bipolar and extremely sensitive to "minor" things like changing timezones during travel. The switch between EST and EDT fucks up my sleep for at least a week, usually longer. This is not going to be a good month. I can't wait for this to be signed into law.

You should start trying to adjust it gradually. If you start by just a couple minutes every day in the start of February, you don't even notice it. Also can't wait for it to change.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I'm all for either implementation of this (standard or savings); I have no particular skin in the game when it comes down to where daylight hours are positioned. Having lived about a decade in Arizona it literally never negatively impacted my life once.

Since moving I've come to participate in what seems to be the standard dread of moving hours back and forth. I either lose sleep and need to adjust my Circadian rhythm or I gain a one-off hour to... I dunno, lay in bed longer because I've already gotten my sleep?

The worst is being a gaming raid leader (and I'd imagine anyone dealing with globalized scheduling), though, because every time we do this I have to reach out to my gamers in other states/countries who don't play collective clock madness and ask them to adjust to those of us that still do for what appear to be largely outmoded "reasons".

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