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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #148

Fuck this. Keeping the DST change is still better than keeping DST permanently. We should stay on standard time all year, I'm sick of having 0 daylight in the morning when I get up.

I'd rather it be dark when I wake up and light when I am done working, but to each their own.

I'm pretty sure sleep is significantly affected by not having sunlight when you wake up, and that's true for everyone, not a personal choice.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#292

So who is going to update all the non networked electronic clocks that automatically adjust for standard/DST changes? This is the problem with Congress... No connection feedbackwise to the ungodly hell made by the legislation they pass. It's always someone else's problem.

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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Sleep is one of the most important bodily functions, disrupting it because of silly reasons such as not waking up in light is ridiculous

Because it is such an important function, and because light disrupts sleep, it is important to sleep mostly in the dark. If it gets light naturally in time to wake you up when you need to, great. If it gets light earlier, not great.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #47

I know this is hardly a radical take, but I don't care what time it is. I can adjust my schedule appropriately. What I hate is changing the time. It makes us all sicker, causes accidents, and workers in certain professions have to work weird hours to keep up with the changes. It's such a drag on the economy and only seems to serve a small fragment of society.

Which fragment of society are you thinking time changing benefits? The common one I hear is farmers. Which is complete BS. Farmers work by the sun because the plants and animals they care for don't use clocks. https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time...

Farmers used to care, when they made broad use of their spawn to assist with harvests and chores. If the spawn gets out of school an hour earlier, that's an hour more labor they can do before the sun sets.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #228

More info here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-senate-approves-bill-tha... Important note: "Senator Marco Rubio said after input from airlines and broadcasters that supporters agreed that the change would not take place until November 2023."

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It's not about permission, it's about Schelling points.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#297

I am an idiot. Would this mean that the time stays as it is right now (after the change from this past weekend)? Because I would love that so much.

Yes, it means we would get more sunshine in the evening during the winter.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

#298

Obligatory: https://archive.ph/Aro0a Barro is very fond of pointing out that we tried this once in the 1970s and almost immediately rolled it back. Permanent DST means that it's dark between 8-9AM in large swathes of the US. Among other problems, having kids go to school in the dark or twilight hours is unsafe, so schools responded by adjusting their schedules, which is an even bigger problem than DST, because the re…

There is a huge difference between the 1970's and now. Light, lot's of it. We have so much more light today then in the 70's, our headlights are brighter, we have more street lamps, and so much more.

We'll also see more northern states adopt permanent DST while southern states adopt permanent ST. Kids already go to school in the dark in the northern states, but they also come home in it too. This change will give them some daylight in the afternoon to go out and socialize.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #67

Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

The amount of sunlight stays the same. The question is whether you want more of it in the morning or the evening, and there isn't a "correct" answer there. Going by general public sentiment I'm willing to bet it's more towards the latter though.

I think it is wrong to ask the general public what they prefer. Most people honestly don’t know, and if they do, they might prefer the option which is more harmful for their health without realizing it.

Much better is to ask public health experts. Which will look at sleeping patters, at risk groups, etc. I’m particularly worried about teenagers which will be forced to wake up before sunrise and are unlikely to go to sleep earlier under social pressure (including from their own family).

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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As long as they eliminate the constant inane switching back and forth. Sleep disruption is harmful in many ways and all this practice seems to actually do, old wives' tales about farmers and circumstantial localized benefits aside, is induce it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5449130/

I'm bipolar and extremely sensitive to "minor" things like changing timezones during travel. The switch between EST and EDT fucks up my sleep for at least a week, usually longer. This is not going to be a good month.

I can't wait for this to be signed into law.

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