I will love it when my sleep schedule isn't disrupted twice a year for no good reason. I can stand waking up in the dark or getting off work in the dark. I just hate having to adjust my circadian in order to reduce candle usage...
US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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#182Can someone explain why they actually care about this? I always see such strong opinions on it but really, why does it matter to you? Most clocks are digital and change automatically these days and otherwise changing your clocks twice a year is such a minor inconvenience. And whether or not the light should be preferred in the morning or vending is probably a pretty even split. Maybe it’s better to get rid of it (I d…
The human body likes a consistent schedule. When the schedule is disturbed, you get problems like these:
https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/heart-health/why-daylight-...
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/daylight-saving-can-m...
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#183We did this before. 46 years ago. And it went badly. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-sav... Why do we have such short memories?
You’d have to be over 60 years old to have any memory of that, and even then you would have been a kid at the time. Plus your memory gets worse as you age. So why would anyone here have a memory of that experience? The only memories we have are of DST messing up our sleep schedules twice a year for no apparent benefit to us.
But more to the point, the article doesn’t really talk about why it went badly. In fact, the only thing it mentions (kids getting up too early for school) is a very solvable problem and one which should be solved regardless of DST.
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#184We did this before. 46 years ago. And it went badly. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-sav... Why do we have such short memories?
Because a lot of us are only half that old?
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#185I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January. I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we g…
This is why the suicide rates will continue to climb. They voted to keep the clock still, but used the wrong time. I just wish the movie Idiocracy would stop turning into a f*&cking documentary. Is that so much to ask?!?!?!
I don’t agree at all, and I think many people don’t agree. What has always depressed me the most in the winter is the lack of sunlight in the evening, after work/school. In the morning I don’t really get to enjoy the sunlight anyway. What I really hate is getting off work and finding it already dark.
There is no “right” time, and this fight for pedantic correctness is already lost. That ship sailed when we started using time zones instead of true local time. Many localities are far from their true noon already. We should make policy on the basis of what is actually good for people.
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#186Won’t take effect until 2023, but good to see it happen.
Can you explain to me why this is good. It seems like a pain, but I assume there must be a good reason for it. Does it truly save energy? Is this documented somewhere?
“In Sweden, researchers found an average 6.7 percent greater risk of heart attack in the three days after the spring change. Inspired by that finding, a group of U.S. researchers conducted their own study and determined that heart attack risk jumped 24 percent the Monday after switching over to daylight saving time. That risk then tapered off over the remainder of the week.
By contrast, risk for heart attack dropped 21 percent on the Tuesday after the fall time change.”
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2018/10/26/can-daylight-saving...
“A study of 732,000 accidents over two decades has found that the annual switch to daylight saving time is associated with a 6% increase in fatal car crashes that week.”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/01/200130144410.h...
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#187Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.
I think I speak on behalf of most computer people when I say this: we prefer our extra hour of sunshine in the evenings not mornings.
Not for me. I prefer timekeeping libraries to not have to be changed. Ever. If they have to, should be simplified. If simifying, it should be in a way that doesn't cause grammatical issues.
Which this does, because now DST is now the standard time.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#188We did this before. 46 years ago. And it went badly. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-sav... Why do we have such short memories?
Oh the children! Give me a break. Go to school in the dark, or come home in the dark. Do that one time of year, or another. It all comes out in the wash.
It's unsafe. A child is more likely to be hit by a car when it is dark. With the current system they can leave for school and come home when there is light.
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#189Obligatory: https://archive.ph/Aro0a
Barro is very fond of pointing out that we tried this once in the 1970s and almost immediately rolled it back. Permanent DST means that it's dark between 8-9AM in large swathes of the US. Among other problems, having kids go to school in the dark or twilight hours is unsafe, so schools responded by adjusting their schedules, which is an even bigger problem than DST, because the rest of the economy has a de facto requirement to coordinate with school schedules.
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#190>Sunshine Protection Act Jesus, does everything need to be hyperbolic virtue signaling. Won't someone please think of the children!
When did virtue signaling become a bad thing? If the goal of the act is to protect people's access to sunshine, why not say as much -- at least the act has a human readable name.
Virtue signaling is a problem when it injects a moral aspect into areas that are disputed or subjective.
In this case, it frames the issue as the enlightened who want to"protect people's access to sunshine" against the evil forces of darkness.
In reality, there is no moral highground, good guys, or bad guys.
Some people simply like sunshine at different times. It would be nice if we could act like adults and start from this premise. We can try to come up with a solution for how to set our clocks without claiming the preference of the other side is illegitimate or morally bankrupt.