Does this mean that I will no longer be able to smugly remind people that there is only one 's' in "daylight saving time"? It was really the only reason I could see for keeping the biannual time change around.
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US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#72Hot take: permenant daylight time not permanent standard time because nightowls are more common than they used to be.
I prefer having more daylight in the evening. I never really understood the opposite argument.
Most people like to get up when the Sun is coming up or close to it. People don't want to wake when it's dark for another 1-2 hours. Without DLST then the Sun would come up at around 8:30 in December and January in northern states. People are up at 6:30, 7AM - waiting around 2 hours would be awful. And a waste of energy in the morning.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#73Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.
This would give us an "extra hour" of sunlight in the evening during the winter.
No, it is moved from the morning. In return for this "extra hour" you have to pay with waking up in the dark and doing your morning commute in the dark.
I grew up in a permanent DST and I don’t have fond memories of it. Over there public health officials are actually advocating to moving back to standard time because teenagers in particular are sleep deprived. Going to bed earlier is not a realistic option as proven by experience.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#74I've never come across a device that supports permanent summer time. You can typically opt out of daylight saving time and stay in standard time, but you can't stay in summer time.
These devices will either need to pick the standard timezone of the timezone to the east and disable daylight saving time, or we will have to change the offset of every timezone in the US, or devices will need to add an explicit summer timezone.
I don't see how any of this is easier than staying on standard time and disabling daylight saving time, which every device that tells time that I've come across seems to support.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#75Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.
This isn't going to effect the summer months. Only winter when we would revert to standard time. If am getting up at 7am its going to be dark I don't care if it dark for another hour . I would prefer more day light after work
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#76Does this mean that I will no longer be able to smugly remind people that there is only one 's' in "daylight saving time"? It was really the only reason I could see for keeping the biannual time change around.
This is HN, plenty of ways to be smug around here
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#77I mentioned something similar in a comment last year, but I think there's going to be a lot of moaning about late sunrises in US in December. Roughly 8:15-8:20 am around the solstice in New York, DC, Chicago, and even Austin. Not til nearly 9am in Seattle. The sun won't rise before 8am in NYC for basically all of December and January.
I'd even be willing to guess that the amount of moaning might be equal to what we get now around the clock change.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#78Won’t take effect until 2023, but good to see it happen.
Can you explain to me why this is good. It seems like a pain, but I assume there must be a good reason for it. Does it truly save energy? Is this documented somewhere?
it's good that it's going away because switching DST to ST or vice-versa is correlated with a huge economic deficit and an influx of health issues.
The severe disruption in schedules is correlated with triggering depressive episodes (great when we're going into winter!) and increase in obesity.
What's more: the fact that we all do it syncronously and it negatively affects our mood means that there's a "DST meanness" wave that washes over cities during autumn and spring.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#79I've never come across a device that supports permanent summer time. You can typically opt out of daylight saving time and stay in standard time, but you can't stay in summer time. These devices will either need to pick the standard timezone of the timezone to the east and disable daylight saving time, or we will have to change the offset of every timezone in the US, or devices will need to add an explicit summer tim…
It's not easier, it's better because more people prefer having an extra hour of light in the evening to an extra hour of light in the morning.
Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent
#80Does the house need to pass it? Will the president veto it? When can I literally set my clock to this?
> Does the house need to pass it?
Yes
> Will the president veto it?
No
> When can I literally set my clock to this?
2023 at the earliest, but probably much later, if ever. The legislative process is not known to move quickly.