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CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Post by mrtksn »

This is the kind of stuff that probably makes some people’s job down the pipe easier and at the same time undermines the Western civilization.

Make no mistake, no US citizen outside of the political class benefits from this or other atrocities. The exact same goes for the surveillance programs.

Losing the moral high ground degrades the whole society.

The whole anti establishment movement rallies around stuff like this. The lefties and the right-wingers will be after different things but they will be able to come together on the hypocritical stance and corruption of the current system. It unites enemies against you who think that the most important thing is to bring down the current horrible governance and figure out things later.

Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Post by bannedbybros »

millzlane wrote: post #7
foxyv wrote: post #2

I kind of hoped that Biden would try and stop this thing from happening anymore. Or Obama... Then I see stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/06/cia-torture-...

Well considering the Biden administration, like the Trump administration before it, said the information should not be disclosed because it would do significant harm to national security. The mention of national security makes me think the issue here is multi faceted.

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Post by wl »

millzlane wrote: post #7
foxyv wrote: post #2

I kind of hoped that Biden would try and stop this thing from happening anymore. Or Obama... Then I see stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/06/cia-torture-...

Well considering the Biden administration, like the Trump administration before it, said the information should not be disclosed because it would do significant harm to national security. The mention of national security makes me think the issue here is multi faceted.

The case the Supreme Court used to uphold the State Secrets privilege was, in retrospect, a coverup with no genuine national security issues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Reynolds

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Post by jonnybgood »

bogantech wrote: post #3
foxyv wrote: post #2

I kind of hoped that Biden would try and stop this thing from happening anymore. Or Obama... Then I see stuff like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/06/cia-torture-...

No president is going to do anything about it because the intelligence agencies almost certainly have blackmail material on them all

How does that work exactly?

CIA: If you don’t let us torture people just because then we’ll make a scandal of you.

President: Oh no. I guess I have to let you. I have no power whatsoever. Can’t get the FBI on it, because they’re blackmailing me too!

The US government and intelligence agencies is not like what you see in the movies.

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Post by adamsmith143 »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

This is the kind of stuff that probably makes some people’s job down the pipe easier and at the same time undermines the Western civilization. Make no mistake, no US citizen outside of the political class benefits from this or other atrocities. The exact same goes for the surveillance programs. Losing the moral high ground degrades the whole society. The whole anti establishment movement rallies around stuff like thi…

Is it possible for you to construct a scenario where torture is morally acceptable?

E.g. you have a virtual certainty that a dirty bomb is going to be detonated in NYC and will kill 1M+ and potentially irradiate the city for decades. Is torturing one person who you know with certainty knows the location of the bomb defensible?

Basically, how many lives would you be willing to sacrifice to prevent the suffering of a single person?

Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Post by 14 »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

This is the kind of stuff that probably makes some people’s job down the pipe easier and at the same time undermines the Western civilization. Make no mistake, no US citizen outside of the political class benefits from this or other atrocities. The exact same goes for the surveillance programs. Losing the moral high ground degrades the whole society. The whole anti establishment movement rallies around stuff like thi…

Not only that but it is considered a war crime to torture from my understanding. So how can we look at Russia and say they are committing war crimes if the US blatantly does things like this. We need to lead on a moral high ground.

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Post by jMyles »

Holy shit. This is nauseating. Why do we tolerate the existence of the US state anymore? What's the point of any of this?

I _hate_ the feeling of the smacking the back of my head. And they did it, against a plywood wall, by gripping a towel wrapped around his neck and slamming him into it, for two hours at a time, just to 'train' people.

Everyone involved - perpetrators and victims - needs therapy and rehabilitation.

The assailants need to sit down and apologize to this guy if they are ever going to be healthy humans again.

Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Post by catchclose8919 »

...isn't the whole idea of such "back sites" that once anyone gets into them, they are NEVER getting out alive?

Torture and atrocities asside, I'd imagine most organized crime syndicates run tighter ships (eg. the standard dissolve the bodies of torture victims + kill the "torture service providers" too at regular intervals then re-recruit new ones etc.) ...this seem so beyond sloppy it's clearly a political s throwing play.

Re: CIA black site detainee served as training prop to teach torture techniques

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Post by yardie »

14 wrote: post #17
mrtksn wrote: post #11

This is the kind of stuff that probably makes some people’s job down the pipe easier and at the same time undermines the Western civilization. Make no mistake, no US citizen outside of the political class benefits from this or other atrocities. The exact same goes for the surveillance programs. Losing the moral high ground degrades the whole society. The whole anti establishment movement rallies around stuff like thi…

Not only that but it is considered a war crime to torture from my understanding. So how can we look at Russia and say they are committing war crimes if the US blatantly does things like this. We need to lead on a moral high ground.

Russia is basically stating the justification for the invasion of Ukraine by saying the US did it first in Iraq. The US has already proven how toothless the UN Security Council is and Russia is reinforcing that idea.
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