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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by AlchemistCamp » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

ohgodplsno wrote: post #75

Netcob wrote: post #65

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I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

Copypastas are getting less funny now that it's cryptobros posting them :(

I didn't copypasta anything and have never been remotely close to a "bro" for my entire life. I'm a language and literature-loving school teacher, turned programmer.

I followed O'Reilly's Web 2.0 with great interest as a user of Flickr and Delicio.us, read about but didn't really get the whole Web 3.0 semantic web stuff, later learned how to program and much later still, learned about web3. If anything, it's my former language teacher side leading me to be irked by the Web 3.0 / web3 confusion.

Honestly, your comment is needlessly hostile and offensive.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by protoman3000 » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

Comments like these show that Hacker News has jumped over the shark.

There is no inherent fake news protection, just like pointers don’t validate the underlying data.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by qbasic_forever » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

teekert wrote: post #78

luaybs wrote: post #70

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I'm curious as to how this is different from Patreon, et al. Edited: Typo

No dependence on patreon and their controversial decisions (like banning people)? No more censorship? No more dependence on payment providers? True per minute payment? Near 0 fees?

But now there's a dependency on some blockchain, and almost certainly some kind of centralized money conversion service... the content creator can't turn their fun crypto coins directly into food in their stomach or shelter over their heads.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:38 AM UTC

ohgodplsno wrote: post #74

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

>the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing to spend hours on end making an app to demonstrate why he's right. To be fair, hating crypto bros is a really good way of life. Mostly because crypto bros have never once in their life been right.

I guess other than when they bought cryptocurrency as a speculative investment and outperformed probably almost every investment in history. I don't think buying crypto as a speculative investment is very exciting, but saying the people doing that have never been right isn't very convincing.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by JamesMcMinn » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:46 AM UTC

So far I've yet to see a convincing argument for what "Web 3" is and can offer that we can't currently do without the use of a Blockchain. It all seems to boil down to "it'll cost something to do something", which isn't exactly a convincing argument on its own.

The responses to this story read rather like Facebook comments on controversial news articles - there's a bunch of comments claiming the website is a bunch of nonsense without actually articulating why that is the case, presumably by people who believe (or are invested in) crypto or "Web 3".

Can anyone give a reasoned argument to the actual benefits of Web 3, in contrast to what is currently not possible without the use of a Blockchain?

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by can16358p » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:47 AM UTC

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

Just with everything with potential revolutionary impact, it will be hated with harsh criticism.

We're exactly at that period with web3: haters gonna hate and early adopters will be rewarded.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by birracerveza » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:48 AM UTC

anhner wrote: post #48

birracerveza wrote: post #26

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And that's the reason we have paywalls and ads crammed into every single square inch of screen estate and websites treating users as the product. And you tell me that isn't broken? I'd be glad to pay a penny (or a fraction of it) for each comment on HN or whatever and have it fund the network (server hosting, staff, etc). Much better than the current alternative.

>I'd be glad to pay a penny (or a fraction of it) for each comment on HN or whatever and have it fund the network (server hosting, staff, etc). Much better than the current alternative. Really? You'd prefer to pay for every single interaction on the web rather than be served an ad that you can block by the way anytime? What about people that don't have the luxury to throw away their money like that, should the intern…

Yes, I'd prefer to pay a fraction of a penny (which might go as low as $0.000001 for example) for each and every single one of my interactions, both read and write, and have it fund the decentralized network of data providers (servers, staff, users, ...) rather than have them try to extort money from me in predatory ways via ads, paywalls and the like. The fact you can block them only hides the problem and it's a pointless game of cat and mouse that only gets more and more devious.

Of course that expenditure has to be reasonable, ideally $1/day for intensive use or something affordable by everyone or trivially subsidizable, either externally or by participating in the network.

Costs ballooning out of proportion would be a problem of course, but the decentralized nature allows developers and users to move to another data provider once it proves it costs too much to operate (as it happened with Ethereum).

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by MaxKK » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:50 AM UTC

JamesMcMinn wrote: post #95

So far I've yet to see a convincing argument for what "Web 3" is and can offer that we can't currently do without the use of a Blockchain. It all seems to boil down to "it'll cost something to do something", which isn't exactly a convincing argument on its own. The responses to this story read rather like Facebook comments on controversial news articles - there's a bunch of comments claiming the website is a bunch of…

Crypto makes it possible to own something digitally.

Web3 incorporates this ownership. While Web 2.0 was about writing something to the internet and the World Wide Web was about reading something on the internet. It's a further iteration which just makes sense.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by birracerveza » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:50 AM UTC

ohgodplsno wrote: post #84

birracerveza wrote: post #20

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The data is not held hostage by the centralized entities who serve you the UI. If a website turns their UX user-hostile for whatever reason, one can simply build an alternative UI that interacts directly with the distributed data.

Ah yes. Because network effects are not a thing, building an alternative UI is super fast, and the website cannot do the things it does today like obfuscating their data, or regularly changing the data format. This way your website keeps spending its time running after changes, and your two unpaid volunteers will absolutely easily catch up to an army of devs focused on a single product. And of course, copyright and o…

You're the one acting like a jester.

Also, look up open-source. Your mind will be blown.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by can16358p » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 9:51 AM UTC

JamesMcMinn wrote: post #95

So far I've yet to see a convincing argument for what "Web 3" is and can offer that we can't currently do without the use of a Blockchain. It all seems to boil down to "it'll cost something to do something", which isn't exactly a convincing argument on its own. The responses to this story read rather like Facebook comments on controversial news articles - there's a bunch of comments claiming the website is a bunch of…

Sure. A "free" internet.

Not in terms of money, but in terms of freedom of speech without censorship and a controlling authority.

With no authority that decides whether I can send money to/receive from someone.

Especially living in a corrupt authoratarian system, even only those two outweight all the bad sides (tx fees, scalability, PoW environmental effects) for me. It does more good than it harms in the big picture.