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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

If you don't want anything to be copied you just not copy it, no need to create all the complicated stuff. eg I can't copy my money in my bank even though it is a digital number.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by abiro »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #68
abiro wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The interesting part is state transitions (mutations). How would your Apache server coordinate mutations to your cat database with other servers when you need to enforce invariants like the maximum number of kittens a cat can have per year?

I... don't? I'm hosting cat photos for friends to view. There are no invariants. There are no rules. It's purely content I'm posting for other people to consume. It's no different than if I printed photos and mailed them to all the people.

Then you're talking about a different problem.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by Hamcha »

antoinec wrote: post #36

Maybe blockchains immutability is going to actually make people think twice before putting something online. "Web2" makes us think that we can delete whatever we post, or what we send is not going to be stored. And we believe it because it is technically possible, even though we don't have any way to double check. If a service claims that you can delete/hide whatever data you uploaded on the blockchain, you'd be able…

I like to think that GDPR did some good by completely ignoring technical limitations and going "no, just find a way to do it". It forced people to address some privacy concerns that no one cared about (like deleting someone's data off every record incl. backups) because it was a technical challenge with no money to make.

Web3 seems to work the opposite way. The tech works like that, so the world better adapt to it.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once I'm happy that it's not technicians that make the laws.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by ohgodplsno »

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

>the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing to spend hours on end making an app to demonstrate why he's right.

To be fair, hating crypto bros is a really good way of life. Mostly because crypto bros have never once in their life been right.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by ohgodplsno »

Netcob wrote: post #65
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #54

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Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.

Copypastas are getting less funny now that it's cryptobros posting them :(

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by chmod775 »

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #49

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing…

Would you have paid to write this comment?

Would someone who has a monetary incentive to comment pay to do so?

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by ohgodplsno »

abiro wrote: post #61
qbasic_forever wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I have an IP address I can host anything and anyone anywhere on the internet can access it right now. There's no company controlled centralized database I have to get permission from to host an apache server with cat photos for example. Isn't this problem already solved?

The interesting part is state transitions (mutations). How would your Apache server coordinate mutations to your cat database with other servers when you need to enforce invariants like the maximum number of kittens a cat can have per year?

This is not a problem anyone has ever had. The entire world is running on either no coordinated mutations, or batched mutations that are spreading over time. If you're found not respecting the mutations that my Apache server has done, the only thing that happens is that you get banned or fined. Cryptobros see the world as absolutely unable of trust, when it's ran for millenia on it.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by teekert »

luaybs wrote: post #70
teekert wrote: post #64

I put some money on a BTC Lightning wallet, now when I stream a podcast (creator to me), I stream satoshis/minute back. Literally value for value (I use Castamatic [0]). This was always the promise of defi for me. I'm glad it wasn't made illegal, it's starting to move into a useful domain where you can pay creators without friction and perhaps we can then finally get rid of ads (where we want) as the only viable mode…

I'm curious as to how this is different from Patreon, et al. Edited: Typo

No dependence on patreon and their controversial decisions (like banning people)? No more censorship?

No more dependence on payment providers? True per minute payment? Near 0 fees?

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by ohgodplsno »

birracerveza wrote: post #26
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #17

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But... the old internet didn't have any cost-per-interaction associated to it. Not to the consumers anyway. Why fix something that isn't broken? Oh right, to make money.

And that's the reason we have paywalls and ads crammed into every single square inch of screen estate and websites treating users as the product. And you tell me that isn't broken? I'd be glad to pay a penny (or a fraction of it) for each comment on HN or whatever and have it fund the network (server hosting, staff, etc). Much better than the current alternative.

Hint: you'll pay a penny for the three sites that implement it (and who will make about 2 bucks a month out of it), and the majority of the web will still be massive corporations that will either stay on ads, or make you pay _and_ stay on ads.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

abiro wrote: post #56
anhner wrote: post #50

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Except, we already have decades of research into general purpose decentralized databases that aren't tied to shitcoins.

I'd be curious to hear about any solutions to enforcing invariants on state transitions in a decentralized manner pre 2008.

You are curious but you are not able to search for it? Oracle worked on it in the 90s.
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