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Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by 3np » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:42 AM UTC

kreeben wrote: post #13

birracerveza wrote: post #9

This is the first time I see a strawman as a website. FYI modern chains cost less than a fraction of a penny to interact with (Avalanche, Matic, ICP) and some don't even require to pay anything (Ceramic). All these tired complaints are getting addressed and development is moving fast, it's about time the anti-web3 crowd catches up to it. Also, I'd like the author to make welcome2web2, with popups, paywalls, ads and s…

Please explain how blockchain will solve user-hostile UI.

You can have web3 without blockchain and blockchain without web3.

If your use-case requires some form of transfer, or proof of ownership of digital assets then blockchain is usually the most appropriate.

Most things branded as web3 aren't. Especially the recent bubble of art NFTs. That does not mean that the concept is pointless.

http://piped2bbch4xslbl2ckr6k62q56kon56ffowxaqzy42ai22a4sash...

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by MadSudaca » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:43 AM UTC

Never forget that cryptocurrencies are essentially software, therefore it can most likely change to overcome its present pitfalls. You don’t like the negative environmental impact that PoW has? There are many eco-friendly cryptocurrencies that don’t use PoW. Don’t like that the fees are too high? There are feeless cryptocurrencies. Don’t like that many cryptos are VC money schemes? There are many with fair distribution, etc… You get the point.

This is why cryptos are here to stay. The underlying technology is valuable and the problems it may have today can be overcome.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by red_trumpet » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:44 AM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #10

Such bs. People like to be the inventor of new terms... "web3" has * NOTHING* to do with 'web'. But hey, web2.0 was a blast in VC world. If anything, web3 is more like the old internet without the web.. Distributed as in, everybody has a server in their pocket. It's your data, and you decide who has access to it.

> Distributed as in, everybody has a server in their pocket. It's your data, and you decide who has access to it.

That sounds nice. But what I read, web3 is intimitaley related to blockchains. I doubt that blockchains are necessary to obtain decentralisation and data ownership.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by squeral » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:45 AM UTC

I get that "Web 3.0" is catchy as "Web 2.0" was back in the day but I wish people would stop trying to version "the web". It doesn't make any sense.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by bibabaloo » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:46 AM UTC

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #11

This link is inflammatory and does nothing to spark curiosity or useful discussion. It's essentially the opposite of what HN is for.

The vehement shilling against anything blockchain related is something I still don't really get. Sure, I get it, you don't like blockchain. But this website would've taken a bit of effort to put together, and for what? To shit on something the author doesn't like? What's the author trying to get out of making something like this?

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by antoinec » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

Maybe blockchains immutability is going to actually make people think twice before putting something online.

"Web2" makes us think that we can delete whatever we post, or what we send is not going to be stored. And we believe it because it is technically possible, even though we don't have any way to double check.

If a service claims that you can delete/hide whatever data you uploaded on the blockchain, you'd be able to verify it and not only trust them. And if you are told that using this service, there is no way to delete it, and that anybody can see it, you might avoid doing something that you'd have done with web2 and regretted later.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by MichaelGlass » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #14

I'm seeing so much salt in the comments, I love it.

In a world where many are playing the, "there's a greater fool willing to buy it for more", the "it's about the future" crowd are fish in a barrel.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by anhner » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

MadSudaca wrote: post #32

Never forget that cryptocurrencies are essentially software, therefore it can most likely change to overcome its present pitfalls. You don’t like the negative environmental impact that PoW has? There are many eco-friendly cryptocurrencies that don’t use PoW. Don’t like that the fees are too high? There are feeless cryptocurrencies. Don’t like that many cryptos are VC money schemes? There are many with fair distributi…

It hasn't been overcome in 15 years but they will fix it soon. Sure...

Software isn't some magic that can wish away its shorcomings.

Also, do you think the next instagram that will most like support its own crypto will allow you to switch to a different crypto?

ETA: the transaction cost is based on the cryptocurrency, so if now the cost per transaction is 1 cent then in 10 years it might cost 10 dollars if the value of the coin goes up.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by JellyYelly » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:47 AM UTC

MadSudaca wrote: post #32

Never forget that cryptocurrencies are essentially software, therefore it can most likely change to overcome its present pitfalls. You don’t like the negative environmental impact that PoW has? There are many eco-friendly cryptocurrencies that don’t use PoW. Don’t like that the fees are too high? There are feeless cryptocurrencies. Don’t like that many cryptos are VC money schemes? There are many with fair distributi…

You don't get these tradeoffs for free though. Anyone can make a "crypto currency" that is entirely centralised and has no fees and minimal environmental impact. Nobody would use it. I think much of the desire of crypto comes from being decentralised, and I am yet to see a crypto that doesn't use PoW that doesn't just favor those who are already rich.

Re: Welcome to Web 3.0

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Post by nasdas » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 8:50 AM UTC

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #11

This link is inflammatory and does nothing to spark curiosity or useful discussion. It's essentially the opposite of what HN is for.

Yes, thank you. I feel like this is just upvoted because the general feeling of HN = 'Blockchain bad'. But the message of this site is pretty ridiculous. It's telling the user that social media platforms built directly on ETH blockchain doesn't make sense because of the fees.

But..

a) who said that the point of web 3.0 is building social media platforms?

b) people in favour of blockchain tech already know that there are use cases that don't make sense to build on Layer 1 blockchains such as ETH, which is why there are numerous Layer 2 solutions being researched right now.