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Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by Legion » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 9:53 PM UTC

brodie wrote: post #49

mushishi wrote: post #3

As a daily Bitbucket user, I appreciate their efforts. But unfortunately I don't see improvement on navigation. It's quite painful to browse source code via web. If I just want to quickly look at someone's repository, I will make a lot of browsing, and it's just way too slow. Compare it to Github's slick UI: https://github.com/blog/760-the-tree-slider But I am optimistic Bitbucket will change it for the better.

(I'm a Bitbucket developer.) I completely agree that UI's something we need to improve on. I do think we've been making progress: We recently redesigned the commit history page, we've cleaned up the repository and account admin pages, and we've been updating the whole site with a more streamlined look and feel. One of the next big things on our roadmap is redoing the repository header (that thing with all the tabs an…

To me, the biggest Bitbucket UI issue isn't the lack of some of Github's snazziness, but the simple lack of visual cues to separate elements on the page.

See: https://bitbucket.org/ellislab/codeigniter-reactor/

Every major block element on that page except for the very top page navigation has a white background. The project info box has a white background, the branches/tags/etc controls bar has a white background, the commit table has a white background, the footer has a white background - all matching (and failing to stand out from) the page's own white background.

Compare to: https://github.com/rails/rails

The use of varying grays and even a blue background help separate elements from each other, as well as separate them from the page background that they're on top of.

I'm not a designer, but the one thing that has always turned me off from Bitbucket is feeling like I'm looking at a bunch of visual clutter whenever I first look at a page. And it's not because there is a lot of visual clutter (there isn't) but simply because everything on the whole page is on the same white background and, at first glance, just blurs into each other.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 9:59 PM UTC

tomblomfield wrote: post #20

I looked at this and thought "this is like Github, but not as good" If you're even semi-serious about development, paying $7/month is nothing for the value they provide.

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Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by TreesCanCode » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:04 PM UTC

vog wrote: post #90

trebor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for my private projects GitHub is totally useless and also expensive, which is why I have been hosting my own Git repo on an instance that I own - it's pretty easy to setup too. Ditto. There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. With Bitbucket it looks like I'll be able to stash them privately, for free. I'm totally psyched that Bitbucket has given this goo…

> There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. Assuming that those projects don't generate much revenue for you [1], what's the point of keeping them private? From a political point of view, I always see such projects as a good opportunity to promote Free Software. From an economic point of view, I like to put some pressure on my competitors that way. For really v…

Not poster but in a similar position myself.

What about incomplete projects? Messy/hacky experiments? Completely idiotic/backwards stuff done for fun? Play-projects purely attempted for "ha I did it!"? Legally-grey (or blatantly illegal) projects? Or even school projects? I have hundreds of projects that fit in those categories, and none will ever be made publicly available. Sometimes it's just not good form to make a project public, other times it's clearly harmful to do so.

Nevertheless, I preserve my projects privately just in case I ever resume work on a whim, or want to reference what I did in the past (or more likely, what I did wrong). And now I can put them online privately for free, sharing with those I deem appropriate.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by nagrom » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:11 PM UTC

vog wrote: post #90

trebor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for my private projects GitHub is totally useless and also expensive, which is why I have been hosting my own Git repo on an instance that I own - it's pretty easy to setup too. Ditto. There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. With Bitbucket it looks like I'll be able to stash them privately, for free. I'm totally psyched that Bitbucket has given this goo…

> There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. Assuming that those projects don't generate much revenue for you [1], what's the point of keeping them private? From a political point of view, I always see such projects as a good opportunity to promote Free Software. From an economic point of view, I like to put some pressure on my competitors that way. For really v…

I work on self-developed projects as a consultant that I don't have the rights to open source. Because of that, I need to use Github's paid account plan, even though I'm the only person who contributes code to that project. So, I'll be seriously considering bitbucket as an alternative host, because it could save me ~£85/year.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by rickette » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:28 PM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #63

brodie wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm a Bitbucket developer.) I completely agree that UI's something we need to improve on. I do think we've been making progress: We recently redesigned the commit history page, we've cleaned up the repository and account admin pages, and we've been updating the whole site with a more streamlined look and feel. One of the next big things on our roadmap is redoing the repository header (that thing with all the tabs an…

Yes please - small things like the branches drop down are not very intuitive. I think the competitive advantage for Bitbucket will come from super-enhancing features like the issue tracker. Today, I still have to run Redmine inspite of having Github issues. Give me an industrial quality issue tracker (hooks, assignee features, charting, roles and permissions). Basically just pull Bugzilla into Bitbucket. Now, that wo…

Really? Bugzilla? Talking about bad user interfaces. Anyway I don't see the BitBucket guys integrating Bugzilla anytime soon since they're part of Atlassian now which markets the Jira issue tracker.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by nagrom » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:29 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #102

tomblomfield wrote: post #20

I looked at this and thought "this is like Github, but not as good" If you're even semi-serious about development, paying $7/month is nothing for the value they provide.

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You're wrong. I use 2 private repos. I'm an academic and most of my work is open-sourced, except for two repos that represent external consultancy projects that I don't have the rights to open source.

I also think that you're wrong about bitbucket being much, much better. In this thread, most people seem to prefer the ease-of-use and style of github even if they think that Hg is a superior system to git.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by trebor » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:41 PM UTC

vog wrote: post #90

trebor wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But for my private projects GitHub is totally useless and also expensive, which is why I have been hosting my own Git repo on an instance that I own - it's pretty easy to setup too. Ditto. There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. With Bitbucket it looks like I'll be able to stash them privately, for free. I'm totally psyched that Bitbucket has given this goo…

> There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. Assuming that those projects don't generate much revenue for you [1], what's the point of keeping them private? From a political point of view, I always see such projects as a good opportunity to promote Free Software. From an economic point of view, I like to put some pressure on my competitors that way. For really v…

I can afford to upgrade my Github account, but I'm a bit cheap when it comes to doing so.

I do a lot of experimentation and I'm of the opinion that not everything I do is worthy of sharing. I've partially written a web interface for pianobar, a feed to rss translator for reformatting NOAA forecasts (they discontinued the REST service), some wiki-like software, and even some barebones PBX interfaces for an Asterisk replacement.

The work that I have put on Github hasn't seen a ton of interest—not that they're terribly complete. But I did write a simple-but-useful-enough asynchronous "cron"[1] system for Go (BSD licensed). I got only 1 comment questioning how I implemented it with a qualified "good job" (if that).

I'm no Ryan Bates or Linus Torvalds. Several times I've interacted with OSS projects, run into trouble, and asked relevant questions. But because I'm not a linux/unix guru I get flamed (I just bought a Mac 16 months ago, gimme a break).

Why expose myself? I'm not trying to flame you, but I did want to express my long-standing disappointment with the "friendliness" of a number of communities (HN included).

[1]: https://github.com/rk/cron.go

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

#108

Post by SoftwareMaven » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:50 PM UTC

sandGorgon wrote: post #63

brodie wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm a Bitbucket developer.) I completely agree that UI's something we need to improve on. I do think we've been making progress: We recently redesigned the commit history page, we've cleaned up the repository and account admin pages, and we've been updating the whole site with a more streamlined look and feel. One of the next big things on our roadmap is redoing the repository header (that thing with all the tabs an…

Yes please - small things like the branches drop down are not very intuitive. I think the competitive advantage for Bitbucket will come from super-enhancing features like the issue tracker. Today, I still have to run Redmine inspite of having Github issues. Give me an industrial quality issue tracker (hooks, assignee features, charting, roles and permissions). Basically just pull Bugzilla into Bitbucket. Now, that wo…

Please, NO. I would cringe at a full version of Jira being included, too. If I want one of those, I will install one of them. I do think BB's issues are under-powered (and it is a major problem), but I'd much rather have a clean, clear, well-designed 20% of Jira.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by vog » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 10:58 PM UTC

TreesCanCode wrote: post #103

vog wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a number of projects that I just won't put online because I'd rather lose than share them. Assuming that those projects don't generate much revenue for you [1], what's the point of keeping them private? From a political point of view, I always see such projects as a good opportunity to promote Free Software. From an economic point of view, I like to put some pressure on my competitors that way. For really v…

Not poster but in a similar position myself. What about incomplete projects? Messy/hacky experiments? Completely idiotic/backwards stuff done for fun? Play-projects purely attempted for "ha I did it!"? Legally-grey (or blatantly illegal) projects? Or even school projects? I have hundreds of projects that fit in those categories, and none will ever be made publicly available. Sometimes it's just not good form to make…

> incomplete projects?

It depends on what you mean by "incomplete". 50 lines of code which do almost nothing useful are probably not worth publishing. But why not publishing a half-complete project? Publishing may help you find contributors. And the early feedback helps you to decide if your project is worth more intense attention.

> Messy/hacky experiments?

If the code is not too bad, I publish even that stuff (as long as it is big enough to be notable), e.g.

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/vserver

> Completely idiotic/backwards stuff done for fun?

I recently published such a project and got surprisingly great feedback:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3061050

> Play-projects purely attempted for "ha I did it!"?

Why not? You never know who'll like it anyway, e.g.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/hosh/

> Legally-grey (or blatantly illegal) projects?

Depending on how much trouble this might cause, you probably shouldn't upload it anywhere. Even a "private" repository on GitHub/BitBucket might be too risky.

On the other hand, I know about a Free Software clone of a game that used the original graphics and music. Not quite legal, but the game was very old and the right holders obviously didn't care. However, after publishing the project got a little fan base that eventually included graphic designers and musicians, who replaced the proprietary stuff step by step with their own creations. So the game changed from "legally-grey" to "solid free". This would never have been possible if the game hadn't been published.

> Or even school projects?

My school projects were about the first ones I published, and I'm pretty proud about what I wrote in that age, e.g.

http://davis.sf.net/

http://sourceforge.net/projects/voji/

http://sourceforge.net/projects/volt/

Later I also published some notable university project works (sorry, German language):

http://www.profv.de/uni/

However, these are only project works. I will never publish specific solutions to homework excercises, as this would only help cheaters and nobody else.

Re: Bitbucket now rocks Git

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Post by ergosum » Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 11:00 PM UTC

jstepka wrote: post #27

dhimes wrote: post #2

store every line of code you’ve ever wrote in one place without paying a cent Great news (and thanks)! However, please s/wrote/written/ EDIT: I see they fixed the copy.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Since we have your attention... :)

http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/BITBUCKET/Bitbucket+... - shows error message "Unable to render {include} The included page could not be found."