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OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

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Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

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as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better?

The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better?

The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup and never touch again, but alas, I like to tinker...

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#12

as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better? The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better? The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup…

I've used home assistant for 4 years. After being fed up with constant breakages, I moved to Hubitat. It's a closed source separate appliance, but it's very capable, fully local and reliable (used it for 1.5 year now, with 0 issues). And not breaking things is taken much more seriously there.

But dashboard sucks beyond imagination. If you need any fancy UI - stay away. If you need pure automation - take a serious look at it.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#13

as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better? The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better? The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup…

You could always come join me on the KaithemAutomation project :P

I ran almost 24/7 for about 4 or 5 years in a commercial setting, and it's tinkering-friendly because the core feature is "modules" that are bundles of Python and HTML that you edit via a web IDE without needing to restart.

Plus, the device integrations abstraction is super easy and it's easy to build your own host that can use any device drivers you make.

We've also got modules for live sound mixing with JACK and CCTV cameras with ~1s latency to the UI.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#14

as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better? The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better? The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup…

I’ve been using openhab for a few years now. Relentlessly reliable on the rpi, easy to customise, and it’s doing everything from balancing our power grid to managing water distribution to turning the lights down when I put a movie on.

I like it. Never tried honeassistant though, so can’t compare.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

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I have had an openhab install running in a rpi without any issues for several years now. Everything in the home is MQTT-based (Tasmota firmware on the switches) and it sends messages to the broker to control stuff. The local reliability is rock solid and cannot be faulted.

However the initial config is quite a learning curve though, and is pretty user-hostile IMHO (they appear to have basically just put a web UI on their java inheritance tree with zero thought given to making it understandable, at least in the 2.x version), and the documentation is usually wrong/out-of-date so it is a challenge. Some stuff could not be configured in the Web UI and needs to be done in the CLI which is fine (if frustrating) but the docs for the CLI didn't exist or were wrong (at least when I was setting it up). Perhaps their newest version is better - I don't know. I have not upgraded for fear if having to configure everything again.

The Google/Alexa integration however is free and works, but has occasional outages (perhaps 5 or 6 times a year, sometimes several days at once). I have a local web server that runs a tiny UI to manually turn things on and off (sends MQTT to the switches/bulbs etc) that I have to rely on more frequently than I'd like.

I chose openhab over homeassistant because the Google/Alexa integration is (was?) $5/month for homeassistant. I wanted to be able to shout out loud to turn things on and off and openhab does that well with its integration (apart from the mentioned outages)

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

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post #5
post #2

How does this differ from HomeAssistant? Heard of both, but never used OpenHAB

HA offers paid only web access, through Nabu Casa. Openhab sez theirs us free - haven't checked if it's like 100% free

This is not true. You can easily forward a port on your router and point to your local HA installation, including free LetsEncrypt certificates.

If you choose to pay for Nabu Casa, you support the project on the one hand and on the other hand you get a HTTPS remote URL using their remote access tunnel.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#17
I have tried both OpenHAB and HomeAssistant extensively.

My recommendation: use HomeAssistant, do not bother with OpenHAB

Rationale:

    . OpenHab is very powerful but requires the user to invest a lot of time to configure it properly
    
    . OpenHab data model is very, very (and in my opinion unnecessarily) convoluted and it takes a lots of work/time to wrap your head around it

    . OpenHab is implemented in Java and drags along with it all the heaviness/unwieldiness of the Java world. In particular, if you want to do anything a little complex, that implies writing a Java plugin.

    . Home Assistant is Python. For simple, code-based changes to the system, YMMV but I personally think that Java vs. Python ... Python wins hands down.

    . Home Assistant works "out of the box" for most things, and is also very flexible when you want to

    . The Home Assistant community is much larger, and if you are doing exotic stuff, you'll find a ton more support online

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#18

as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better? The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better? The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup…

> Is openHab any better?

I would say: firm no.

See my other comment in the thread as to why.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

#19

as a home assistant user (home assistant core user) I am fairly tired of baby sitting it. Is openHab any better? The comments indicate it is a much older java project, so perhaps it doesn't do anything better? The rate at which home assistant moves is probably its biggest strength and also its biggest weakness. Every time I upgrade something breaks and requires debugging. It's one of those things I wish I could setup…

my experience with HA is very much the same, and I am also tired of baby-sitting HA. Last time it broke I didn't have time to fix and think maybe investment into OH will not be wasted. I'd like to set and forget, not to spend my time to assist something that is supposed to make my life easier.

Re: OpenHAB – vendor and tech agnostic open source automation software for your home

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post #2

How does this differ from HomeAssistant? Heard of both, but never used OpenHAB

I've used both, and moved from OpenHAB to HomeAssistant around 4 years back. Both required some upkeep from time to time, but HomeAssistant lowered my maintenance and debugging time. The OSGi architecture used in OpenHAB felt pretty clunky running on a small Raspberry PI or similar system compared to HomeAssistant. OpenHAB always felt like overkill for my simple use case of a small home containing few sensors and lights.
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