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Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Post by mcjmcdonald »

hadlock wrote: post #431
09bjb wrote: post #370

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Source? I have no reason to doubt you but would love to see where those data. Most of what I heard is that "lead exposure above zero is significant" and "if you're living near an airport, especially one serving smaller plans, you are being exposed".

This is specific to the reid-hillview county airport, north of san jose. It was in the news last fall. I can't/won't look for the exact broadcast, but the spokesperson for the airport was quick to point out that there's no detectable lead in the air. The FAA is not convinced either and has no intention of shutting down the airport. At the bottom here is a link to the studies presented to the local government in an at…

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2022/march/09/c...

The AOPA link has a letter that addresses some of the points you made and much more. Thanks for the interest. Save Reid Hillview

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Post by austinjp »

fallat wrote: post #155
austinjp wrote: post #135

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Indeed. One issue we have today is a glut of scientific information, some of which is high quality and some isn't. Also, some will later be shown to be false, and some correct, in any given context. It's not enough to say simply that a study exists (even if it is a large meta-study); it's necessary to actually read it in full and critically appraise it. But ain't nobody got time for that.... which is a problem!

If they don't have time to read the paper, they aren't investing in the argument enough, and at that point you know the other person is not open to being wrong, which then you respect and end the conversation.

On a one-to-one basis, that might be one approach.

On a system- or industry-wide basis, this approach fails to address the real issue of the significant time taken for evidence to reach patients. Simply walking away leaves the problem unresolved.

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Post by weaksauce »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #277
weaksauce wrote: post #54

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yeah i live under the flightpath of a lot of flight school traffic and this weighs a bit on my mind. pretty busy flight area too. Who knows the damage really? are there tests you can take?

If it is larger jet planes, you're mostly safe. Those burn lots of fuel, but it is "jet fuel" which is more like kerosene or diesel.

yeah the area overhead is very literally a training path where they do a lot of circling stuff in small planes. they do have a decent amount of jets flying very high though.

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Post by kortilla »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #488
kortilla wrote: post #458

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You were the one who mentioned “paid better”. Don’t shift the goal posts.

>Perhaps if the typical American was paid better and had more hope for the future There isn't a period after better.

It doesn’t matter, if you didn’t want people to discuss pay, you shouldn’t have mentioned it.

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Post by random314 »

pessimizer wrote: post #306
rayiner wrote: post #214

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Okay so explain all the other countries with harsh drug laws that don’t have Nixon or minorities to oppress? Japan, Singapore, Sweden, etc.

You could take a swing at it and see how it goes. The person you're replying to has said what they believe the cause is. You're free to propose other ones for other countries. My explanation would be that the US drug war was aggressively international.

It indeed is. Harsh drug penalties were introduced in India under US pressure.

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Post by mountainriver »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #219
mountainriver wrote: post #186

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Not a chance, maybe smoking marijuana, but not edibles. I know plenty of people that have done them their entire lives and are in great shape

That sounds a lot like "my grandmother smoked 2 packs a day and lived til she was 99." I think the whole point is that it hasn't been studied yet, so we can't say definitively if its safe or not.

Smoking something is obviously bad for your health, I don't need a study to tell me that, you are literally inhaling smoke. Followed by masses dying of cancer.

Eating marijuana can have some negative cognitive effects but its pretty obvious it doesn't do anything terrible looking at all the old hippies.

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

mountainriver wrote: post #506
ifyoubuildit wrote: post #219

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That sounds a lot like "my grandmother smoked 2 packs a day and lived til she was 99." I think the whole point is that it hasn't been studied yet, so we can't say definitively if its safe or not.

Smoking something is obviously bad for your health, I don't need a study to tell me that, you are literally inhaling smoke. Followed by masses dying of cancer. Eating marijuana can have some negative cognitive effects but its pretty obvious it doesn't do anything terrible looking at all the old hippies.

For one thing, has anyone actually looked at all the old hippies? And if they have, the old hippies probably didn't have access to anything as potent as we do, and I'm assuming today's edibles are (or eventually will be) full of all sorts of nonsense additives, because that's what we do.

I'm not saying I know either way, but this seems like an easy thing to be wrong about.

Re: Lead exposure in last century shrunk IQ scores of half of Americans: study

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Post by mountainriver »

ifyoubuildit wrote: post #507
mountainriver wrote: post #506

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Smoking something is obviously bad for your health, I don't need a study to tell me that, you are literally inhaling smoke. Followed by masses dying of cancer. Eating marijuana can have some negative cognitive effects but its pretty obvious it doesn't do anything terrible looking at all the old hippies.

For one thing, has anyone actually looked at all the old hippies? And if they have, the old hippies probably didn't have access to anything as potent as we do, and I'm assuming today's edibles are (or eventually will be) full of all sorts of nonsense additives, because that's what we do. I'm not saying I know either way, but this seems like an easy thing to be wrong about.

I mean we're not talking about additives, there are additives in lots of stuff that makes it harmful. And yes the old hippies didn't have as strong of weed, and there may be some threshold at which bad things happen more frequently, but just looking at the big picture it doesn't look all that dire.

It definitely hurts parts of cognition, and is linked to certain mental illnesses, there are other odd and end health concerns that pop up rarely. Overall marijuana is pretty gentle when ingested, you can just tell from your own health when consuming it.

When I smoked cigarettes I felt terrible all the time, and when I stopped it was night and day. Consuming edibles I feel pretty darn good actually, less stress, better sleep, and when I get off them I don't feel like I've been harming my body. This opinion is shared by pretty much everyone I know

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