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Post by judge2020 »

saurik wrote: post #87
anaisbetts wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't export purchased licenses for software / media to another Google account, nor can you migrate Google Play Developer accounts. The mail isn't the problem, the problem is everything else tied to people's personal Google accounts

G Suite accounts are by definition not supposed to be personal accounts: they are for when an organization wants to own someone else's account, with the ability to do stuff like managing it and revoking its access; and so, just like when you are using an account given to you by your employer, you should not consider them "yours". If you want to complain about this, it should be that businesses that were using this sy…

> G Suite accounts are by definition not supposed to be personal accounts:

"Google Apps

For individuals and small teams

Free"

https://web.archive.org/web/20120602004504/http://www.google...

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Post by mholt »

judge2020 wrote: post #31
mholt wrote: post #9

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I love the idea of maddy. (I swear it's inspired by Caddy but I have no proof.) I do kinda wish it was just made into a Caddy module, though.

Here's your proof[0]: > Is it caddy for email? > No. It was intended to be one but developers quickly acknowledged the fact email cannot be easily abstracted behind some magic. The only other instances of Caddy are that they copied a "caddyfile lexer" [1] and seemingly a typo in a test[2]. 0: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy/blob/d08c7f0e3927df64f10db91... 1: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy/blob/d8cabb932d9e7c3abd056f…

Interesting! Things for the links/info.

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Post by throwaway290 »

IMSAI8080 wrote: post #60
throwaway290 wrote: post #8

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How did it go for you and how does Zoho compare? Did you migrate from free G suite specifically? Did you have custom domains?

Yes I'm using custom domains and yes I migrated from free Gsuite. I just use the email only on Zoho, which is totally fine for me. It does also include other services which I haven't investigated. Migration was fairly painless. The domain setup on Zoho is quite good. I was able to export my contacts from google and import them into Zoho. The main feature I wanted was catch-all support, which Zoho does support and wor…

Thanks! Good to know about catch-all, using it too.

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Post by IgorPartola »

robocat wrote: post #90
IgorPartola wrote: post #79

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Sounds like Google was providing you a bunch of valuable services for free for a long time. Not defending Google but your argument is not compelling.

More likely because of path dependency. Say you make a choice between equivalent services, A or B. Over time you are locked into your choice because you make decisions that fit your choice. The benefits and costs/risks of choosing A or B are often indistinguishable over time. Yet later, changing between the two can be unfeasibly expensive: e.g. changing banks (mortgage lock-in), changing health insurance (existing co…

But if both choices provided a free service of great value for years, is it fair to complain when A at some point wants money for the highly valuable service? I don’t see a lot of Fastmail customers having this issue.

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Post by croutonwagon »

judge2020 wrote: post #120
croutonwagon wrote: post #117

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You are probably right to an extent and I was probably over dramatizing it with the whole 100% part. But having managed email across all three providers. Microsoft does just ignore rfc’s and basic standards pretty regularly and relies heavily on “AI”. Google less so. And when it works it works great. But once you get deliverability issues it’s a pain to resolve with them. Especially if you have to engage support.

> Especially if you have to engage support. If i'm running an email inbox, responding to support regarding email deliverability is my lowest priority primarily because, if I respond once, it becomes an attack vector for dedicated spammers to try to extract information about the spam detection systems.

Thats more or less an argument FOR using one of the large providers.

Frankly you are more likely to make exceptions and monitor internally for deliverability from a google, or outlook.com or comcast.net than for some random xyz.email domain.

And blocking swaths of those has a bigger impact. Frankly though, imho, you should respond to users that report deliverability issues on your domain and tweak your spam filters accordingly. Just ignoring a users saying "i am not getting expected emails from this listserve" is a great way to encourage your users to employ shadow IT and just use personal accounts.

Obscurity isnt security, even with spam mitigations. Things like SPF, DKIM, DMARC along with some user impersonation filtering (including spoofing from fields) is basic spam 101 and will catch 99% of your actual security related phishing.And the largest ones (dmarc) can be probed publicly anyhow since almost all of it relies on DNS txt records.

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Post by MinorTom »

artursapek wrote: post #19

For people only using it as an email backend: there are plenty of cheap, privacy-respecting alternatives such as mailbox.org (the one I've used for 7-8 years now).

After they changed (raised) their pricing they simply removed the cloud drive with no notice and no way to access existing files.
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