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Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by skavi »

adam_arthur wrote: post #146
avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

Legit the only reason I don't use iPhone is due to being forced to use Safari (or Safari rendering engine wrapped)

Safari on iPhone is by far the fastest mobile browsing experience you can get. Are there extensions or web features you need that Safari doesn’t have?

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by eternityforest »

burtonator wrote: post #44

> New support for BroadcastChannel allows tabs, windows, iframes, and Workers from an origin to send messages to each other. This enables experiences like syncing login state for a site across multiple tabs. This is SUPER nice... there are other hacks like IndexedDB or localStorage but this is way better! But the frustrating part her is that we're excited about Webkit finally starting to catch up. Chrome is just perp…

I really wish Safari would go away and Mozilla would switch to a full featured Chromium with everything enabled (But user-toggle-able).

Browser diversity isn't work2 as advertised. It's just Google inventing things that other companies only get a year later, or totally reject. Mozilla needs to start trusting its users to have access to features like Google does, and Apple needs to allow third party browsers without WebKit.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by eternityforest »

donatj wrote: post #73
johncolanduoni wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t have gigabit internet (i.e. most people), then it’s not so user hostile.

In my experience it's more user hostile the worse your connection, because they have to sit and watch the images load for an even longer amount of time than I do, whereas it could have kept loading for them ahead of time. Where without lazy loading they could normally get up and get a cup of coffee and come back, you are now actively wasting their time as they scroll.

When you only have 2GB a month of mobile data, anything that saves a megabyte is worth it, even stuff like Google's data saver they used to have.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by eternityforest »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #85
alwillis wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Apple and Mozilla’s position is it can’t be done in a privacy preserving way as currently specified.

WebMIDI support in Firefox is almost complete. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836897

Finally Mozilla does something sane! This is really great news, and I could see this being a pretty big thing or even a major way of doing web enabled IoT.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by zamadatix »

CharlesW wrote: post #138
heavyset_go wrote: post #126

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Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here. PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place, but that's not a solution Apple would allow.

> Exactly my point, they'll trot Facebook out as a defense of their App Store model just like they did here I don't understand why that's unexpected when a core idea of the App Store model is that Apple can better protect its customers against bad actors. > PWAs from the beginning would have prevented Facebook from collecting data for the last decade in the first place… I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion…

The claim is expected it's just being called out as false basis with explanation of why after your quoted section.

I don't really see how % of users plays into it. I mean it's great the App Store is finally on board with being more strict on blocking user tracking after a decade of business but as long as more than 0 wanted to fix it before and couldn't because of the PWA and/or app sources policies then then policy around not-allowing those is based on protecting the App Store regardless how often privacy is brought up as the reason.

I mean it's great they protect it for the customers that fall towards the default option now don't get me wrong but while nice that doesn't really have anything to do with why all users were forced through the App Store before or after the policy change.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by smoldesu »

olliej wrote: post #16
smoldesu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, for $2 and no access to the source code.

Ah, so you mean you want a free solution, because why should the devs of an extension that you obviously value earn anything from their work?

I want a free solution because that's the standard in the space. I shouldn't have to pay money to make a browser with less features have parity with a better developed one.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by sp332 »

Sidnicious wrote: post #150
avazhi wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what extensions do you have?

Not the OP, but this is super cool as a way to measure extensions' performance impact (in a super limited way, admittedly). For me… Chrome 99.0.4844.51: - 1Password + µBlock Origin: 277 ± 2.9 - No extensions: 303 ± 5.1 (9% faster) Safari 15.3: - 1Password: 251 ± 2.6 - No extensions: 280.5 ± 2.6 (11% faster)

Wow, LastPass on Win10 Firefox cuts my performance in half there.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by marricks »

avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

I have none of those problems on my M1 MacBook Air using Safari. I know no clue what extensions you're using or voxel based games you're running in browser but safari opens, closes, resizes, and runs websites in a far nicer way and cleaner way. I've never seen a search box stutter.

Chrome basically owns the web outside of Mac though, so perhaps you're using some services that favor it. Or the search bar that sitters is Google's and it's been known to have some Oopsies[1]

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/former-mozilla-exec-google-has...

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