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New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by daypay »

u2077 wrote: post #111
daypay wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How were you able to share this? Didn’t know TestFlight allowed you to do that. How do I give it back later?

It’s within the testflight app, there’s a share button and you can copy the link. Borrow was an incorrect term, the link is still valid for anyone afaik.

Ah okay, thanks for clarifying. Learned something new today.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by electric_muse »

jimkleiber wrote: post #13

Edit: removing the snark/sarcasm I put into it. I was really hoping this announcement would include support for push notifications for PWAs. I've been trying to build a few Discourse forums and they work very well as PWAs except for the fact that iOS doesn't support PWAs sending push notifications. So here's to hoping the next iteration will.

While we don't see updates in this announcement, we may start seeing more because they're getting so much antitrust pressure [0]. Handicapping PWA support by not supporting push notifications works strongly against any arguments they would want to make about there being viable alternatives to listing in the app store.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/27/apple-a...

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by avazhi »

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then find that Safari moved my selection up or down, almost like it had to sync or something).

I try really hard to love Safari, I really do, but it's just a shitshow outside of battery life.

Also, Brave is consistently 20-30 points below vanilla Chrome on BrowserBench? Any ideas why?

And finally, and this is pretty egregious, but the 1Password browser extension is a 20-30% (yes) performance hit (on the BrowserBench benchmark) on any Chromium based browser that I use, and on Firefox. What the fuck, AgileBits?

See for yourself: https://browserbench.org/Speedometer2.0/

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by wahnfrieden »

butz wrote: post #51

With so many new features being added to browsers lately it is easy to forget, that not all browsers on old devices are updated, be it older iPad or even laptop with ChromeOS. Dear web developers, please don't forget to add fallbacks or polyfills for older devices.

this news is also relevant to wkwebview users

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by ezfe »

avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

Well, on my M1 MacBook Air Safari hits 275, whereas Edge is 246

Safari: https://i.imgur.com/LcPD5eE.png

Edge: https://i.imgur.com/eWhgSuU.png

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by adam_arthur »

avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

Legit the only reason I don't use iPhone is due to being forced to use Safari (or Safari rendering engine wrapped)

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by avazhi »

ezfe wrote: post #145
avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

Well, on my M1 MacBook Air Safari hits 275, whereas Edge is 246 Safari: https://i.imgur.com/LcPD5eE.png Edge: https://i.imgur.com/eWhgSuU.png

what extensions do you have?

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by nwienert »

avazhi wrote: post #143

Is Apple going to do anything about Safari (on my 2021 16" M1 Pro) hitting 200 points in BrowserBench, while Chrome hits 299? Sure, Safari battery life is great, but the browser is slow, buggy (refreshes the page when I back a page half the time; can't speed up videos without audio distortion; typing into the search bar is laggy and I on a daily basis arrow down to select a previously used URL, hit enter, and then fi…

Safari FUD tires me more than any other because it's so consistent and yet consistently wrong (usually driven by feelings from ~2+ years ago).

Here's both, no plugins, latest versions:

https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12100/158299113-a0...

Chrome opens and closes slower, resizes slower, opens tabs slower, closes tabs slower, restores a closed tab slower, goes back/forward slower, stutters as it scrolls... and feels non-native in so many ways. Not to mention the constant addition of bloat and privacy invasive features.

Safari is nearly an order of magnitude better IMO on a Mac, it's not even close.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Post by Sidnicious »

avazhi wrote: post #147
ezfe wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, on my M1 MacBook Air Safari hits 275, whereas Edge is 246 Safari: https://i.imgur.com/LcPD5eE.png Edge: https://i.imgur.com/eWhgSuU.png

what extensions do you have?

Not the OP, but this is super cool as a way to measure extensions' performance impact (in a super limited way, admittedly). For me…

  Chrome 99.0.4844.51:
  - 1Password + µBlock Origin: 277 ± 2.9
  - No extensions:             303 ± 5.1 (9% faster)

  Safari 15.3:
  - 1Password:     251   ± 2.6
  - No extensions: 280.5 ± 2.6 (11% faster)
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