Firefox removed Yandex search option • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by mmastrac » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:33 AM UTC

ummonk wrote: post #267

asveikau wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to go there, but reports are that the Russian Federation is not currently making this distinction in Ukraine right now.

Even if that were true (it’s not - high collateral damage is not the same as not making a distinction), that doesn’t justify us deciding to also treat Russian civilians as military.

Putting pressure on Russian citizens motivates them to protest and take action inside of their country. The Ukrainians didn't have a choice either.

I'd much rather have the US heavily-handededly knock down the Russian economy than the alternative of involving itself militarily.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by mmastrac » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:34 AM UTC

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by hedora » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:41 AM UTC

totorovirus wrote: post #274

Is it necessary to boycott private firms that didn't necessarily support the government decision? Or is there any proof that they actually played a role in current ukraine situation?

Yes, it is necessary in times of war.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by lmm » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:41 AM UTC

sharikous wrote: post #230

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #97

Firefox was going off the rails for a while now. Notice, the worse they become the more they will indulge in politics, censorship, emotional blackmail instead of doing their jobs: building a better browser.

I don't understand this claim. If Mozilla is so awful at developing Firefox, why isn't anyone forking it? Open source is not an empty slogan

Open source is mostly an empty slogan in Firefox's case - it was a code dump from Netscape and it's never really been able to attract outside contributions. If you want a browser that was actually built as open source, Konqueror has been right there for decades, but users don't care about that.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by oefrha » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:45 AM UTC

mmastrac wrote: post #282

I am consistently disappointed by any thread involving Mozilla on Hacker News. Somehow Mozilla is held to an impossible standard. For the one company out there holding the internet away from a WebKit monoculture, they sure get the short end of the stick by people here.

Because people want to see them spend their efforts on holding the Internet back from a WebKit monoculture, and donate to that cause, but they keep wasting resources on political activism, pointless bs like time-limited themes, etc. while downsizing their engineering team. Not doing those isn’t “impossible”, in fact they go out of their way to disappoint people with those distractions.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by hyperhopper » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:47 AM UTC

sharikous wrote: post #230

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #97

Firefox was going off the rails for a while now. Notice, the worse they become the more they will indulge in politics, censorship, emotional blackmail instead of doing their jobs: building a better browser.

I don't understand this claim. If Mozilla is so awful at developing Firefox, why isn't anyone forking it? Open source is not an empty slogan

Because nobody forks things that are bad?

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by lmm » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:49 AM UTC

BirAdam wrote: post #38

BuckRogers wrote: post #20

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An invasion of Russia would risk the destruction of the entire globe by nuclear weaponry. Ousting Putin and destabilizing Russia would increase the risk of nuclear weaponry making its way to more violent regimes. I do not think either of those is particularly wise.

A policy that anyone with nuclear weapons can freely bully the rest of the world seems like a less wise course for the long term.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by thematrixturtle » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:50 AM UTC

ogurechny wrote: post #234

thematrixturtle wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't Facebook, Instagram and TikTok already banned or crippled in Russia? That pretty much is the "internet" for most people.

Everyone using (the same) social network sites is a common misconception of those who use (those) social network sites. For example, Facebook popularity in Russia is maybe 1/10th of Instagram popularity in Russia, and Vkontakte is used 5× more that that.

The actual top four in Russia in 2020 were YouTube, VK, WhatsApp and Instagram in that order. (Facebook and TikTok are #7 and #8 respectively.)

https://www.statista.com/statistics/867549/top-active-social...

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by smt88 » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:51 AM UTC

ummonk wrote: post #269

smt88 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

> The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. Do you actually believe this is true? Do you think the sanctions and private boycotts will disappear as soon as Russia negotiated a ceasefire?

They will disappear as soon as Russia ends its cyberwars and returns to democracy. We saw it happen in Russia in the 90s and we've seen it in other countries.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by tananaev » Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 1:51 AM UTC

staticassertion wrote: post #277

totorovirus wrote: post #274

Is it necessary to boycott private firms that didn't necessarily support the government decision? Or is there any proof that they actually played a role in current ukraine situation?

My understanding is that results from Yandex were spreading propaganda from Russia, backing up the false narrative that they hadn't done anything, or that everyone in Ukraine is a nazi, etc. Would love to hear more if anyone has information, I'm possibly misremembering. Also, private companies are an important part of a nation's economy. Restricting them surely impacts that nation, so the idea seems sound?

Yandex News are definitely in line with Russian government propaganda. It's a news aggregator, so it might look like propaganda because all popular news outlets are propaganda. Not sure if they filter anything themselves. But I think it still makes sense to put a pressure on the company anyway.