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What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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What puzzles me about ancient humans is they were as smart as we are, so why did technology advance so slowly?

They spent more time surviving. Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents. Like, if you put even modern humans with knowledge of technology out in the wild how quickly do you think they'll be able to invent agriculture or work metals from minerals in rocks?

> They spent more time surviving.

Much of survival work is drudgery, where one can think about other things while working. For example, I do my best work while jogging.

> Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents.

Of course. But those accidents come from playing with things to see what happens, and being curious enough to notice when something unexpected happens.

> Like, if you put even modern humans with knowledge of technology out in the wild how quickly do you think they'll be able to invent agriculture

Agriculture isn't hard to invent.

> or work metals from minerals in rocks?

Most of this comes from playing with fire. A lot, though, depends on higher temperatures which require a bellows. The idea for a bellows would come from simply blowing on embers to turn them into flames. Once you've got a bellows, you'll notice that the fire gets much hotter, and they you might throw various things in that hot fire to see what happens.

There are other things, like weaving, boats, sails, chimneys, etc., that make life easier and don't require metals.

Very few modern people, even engineers, have the faintest idea how to get iron out of ore, or would even recognize ore.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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What puzzles me about ancient humans is they were as smart as we are, so why did technology advance so slowly?

As I understand it, this is an open question, but one explanation has a few factors: a) In the absence of many external pressures, hunting and gathering is actually a reasonably low-effort and flexible lifestyle. From a moment-to-moment perspective, agriculture (and our "technological" world) mostly doesn't seem like an improvement. Long-term, the quality-of-life improvements come about in resiliency and stability, b…

But even the Roman Empire--looked at on a long enough timescale--basically didn't move the needle on societal advancement relative to what happened once the industrial revolution got going.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.co...

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They spent more time surviving. Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents. Like, if you put even modern humans with knowledge of technology out in the wild how quickly do you think they'll be able to invent agriculture or work metals from minerals in rocks?

> They spent more time surviving. Much of survival work is drudgery, where one can think about other things while working. For example, I do my best work while jogging. > Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents. Of course. But those accidents come from playing with things to see what happens, and being curious enough to notice when something unexpected happens. > Like, if you put even modern humans with knowled…

I enjoy watching that Alone TV series. I was intrigued that some of the contestants would just build an open fire inside their shelter. Those had a lot of problems with smoke inhalation, and would often burn down their shelter, causing them to exit the game. Putting a vent hole in the roof didn't help much.

Some would build a fireplace on the side, those did better.

One contestant built a fireplace on the side, and put a chimney on it made of stone and clay. No tools needed to build it. It worked as you'd expect - famously.

Chimneys are very simple technology, but took a very long time to invent - not until medieval times.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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What puzzles me about ancient humans is they were as smart as we are, so why did technology advance so slowly?

As I understand it, this is an open question, but one explanation has a few factors: a) In the absence of many external pressures, hunting and gathering is actually a reasonably low-effort and flexible lifestyle. From a moment-to-moment perspective, agriculture (and our "technological" world) mostly doesn't seem like an improvement. Long-term, the quality-of-life improvements come about in resiliency and stability, b…

Both the Americas and Eur-Asia seem to have independently invented agriculture, and it didn't seem to lead to a technological explosion until looong afterwards.

Selective breeding was not required for early agriculture. That came later. I'm sure agriculture started with "hey we like strawberries, strawberries grow from seeds, let's plant the seeds and have more strawberries" for each of the plants they gathered.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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post #14

What puzzles me about ancient humans is they were as smart as we are, so why did technology advance so slowly?

How do we know they were as smart as we are?

The American peoples split off from the Asian peoples 25,000 years ago, and are the same intelligence today.

That would seem unlikely unless they were the same then as today.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it, this is an open question, but one explanation has a few factors: a) In the absence of many external pressures, hunting and gathering is actually a reasonably low-effort and flexible lifestyle. From a moment-to-moment perspective, agriculture (and our "technological" world) mostly doesn't seem like an improvement. Long-term, the quality-of-life improvements come about in resiliency and stability, b…

Both the Americas and Eur-Asia seem to have independently invented agriculture, and it didn't seem to lead to a technological explosion until looong afterwards. Selective breeding was not required for early agriculture. That came later. I'm sure agriculture started with "hey we like strawberries, strawberries grow from seeds, let's plant the seeds and have more strawberries" for each of the plants they gathered.

> strawberries grow from seeds

You just jumped right over the bit that is deeply obvious to us, but not at all obvious to somebody who doesn't have any societally ingrained knowledge of how plants reproduce.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They spent more time surviving. Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents. Like, if you put even modern humans with knowledge of technology out in the wild how quickly do you think they'll be able to invent agriculture or work metals from minerals in rocks?

> They spent more time surviving. Much of survival work is drudgery, where one can think about other things while working. For example, I do my best work while jogging. > Plus many 'discoveries' were likely accidents. Of course. But those accidents come from playing with things to see what happens, and being curious enough to notice when something unexpected happens. > Like, if you put even modern humans with knowled…

> Agriculture isn't hard to invent

Alright, go find a wild grass or vegetable and turn it into something resembling a modern staple crop or vegetable.

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both the Americas and Eur-Asia seem to have independently invented agriculture, and it didn't seem to lead to a technological explosion until looong afterwards. Selective breeding was not required for early agriculture. That came later. I'm sure agriculture started with "hey we like strawberries, strawberries grow from seeds, let's plant the seeds and have more strawberries" for each of the plants they gathered.

> strawberries grow from seeds You just jumped right over the bit that is deeply obvious to us, but not at all obvious to somebody who doesn't have any societally ingrained knowledge of how plants reproduce.

You've never cast aside a seed and later noticed it sprouting? People who live off the land are surely going to notice such connections.

You don't think they knew where human babies came from, and would infer a similarity?

Re: What were humans doing in the Yukon 24,000 years ago?

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What puzzles me about ancient humans is they were as smart as we are, so why did technology advance so slowly?

Consider the Antikythera mechanism, what must have existed to bring it into existence and what has transpired since. We now enjoy the fruits of a period of advancement. It isn't guaranteed to continue though. A turn of history may set humans will be back to square one, maybe even in a worse position than before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

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