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Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by judge2020 »

mholt wrote: post #9
kardianos wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could try maddy: https://maddy.email/ An all-in-one stack.

I love the idea of maddy. (I swear it's inspired by Caddy but I have no proof.) I do kinda wish it was just made into a Caddy module, though.

Here's your proof[0]:

> Is it caddy for email?

> No. It was intended to be one but developers quickly acknowledged the fact email cannot be easily abstracted behind some magic.

The only other instances of Caddy are that they copied a "caddyfile lexer" [1] and seemingly a typo in a test[2].

0: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy/blob/d08c7f0e3927df64f10db91...

1: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy/blob/d8cabb932d9e7c3abd056fe...

2: https://github.com/foxcpp/maddy/blob/d8cabb932d9e7c3abd056fe...

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by Rebelgecko »

scumola wrote: post #3

Yet another good, working service that Google shuts down for the almighty dollar

(disclaimer, work for Google but not on this)

Even though it worked for preexisting users, new user signups were closed a decade ago so I feel like the writing was on the wall

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by mushufasa »

bartvk wrote: post #16
throwaway290 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did it go for you and how does Zoho compare? Did you migrate from free G suite specifically? Did you have custom domains?

I tried this in 2018, and had problems with notifications under iOS, and there wasn't support for syncing contacts and calendars. Also, Zoho its offering is pretty huge, so for example grokking the settings screens takes some effort. Perhaps someone can give a more recent update?

I used zoho for a few years in our org. We started on the free zoho plan then transitioned to paid. As we hired more, we got a lot of requests for people to switch to gsuite, and we finally did a few months ago. Now we have both side by side.

Main reasons people wanted gsuite

- gmail UI preference (Zoho webmail ui is feature-complete but clunky and slow)

- perceived email deliverability (people thought gsuite would be better for deliverability. We haven't seen much difference in reality though)

- preference for google drive + docs over zoho workdrive + docs. This is not just due to familiarity -- the features for google are smoother and more reliable. It seems fine to use zoho but when you are losing saved drafts or having to doubele-check the technology or don't know where thee buttons are for something, productivity losses add up over time

- frustratino with some of the other zoho services. Their Zoho One offers a ton of things to solve most product categories, but they're rarely best in class. More of a problem is that often simple things you would expect to work don't work. We struggled a lot with zoho desk for example because there is a years-old bug where they didn't implement the RFC for nonce's correctly, so we couldn't actually use it embedded in our website because of the CSP

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by kadoban »

insaneirish wrote: post #24

> Google is holding all your old free G Suite accounts hostage They are not holding these accounts hostage. You can export mail from Google. You can change your MX records to different servers. I've been bit as much as anyone by Google killing products, but honestly, it's amazing they've kept this product free for so long. And in this case, the product isn't being killed; they've simply decided to start charging for…

So now our choices are: pay $6 per user per month for essentially what everyone gets for free, or our accounts, which are used for all kinds of free Google services, stop working.

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by seba_dos1 »

insaneirish wrote: post #24

> Google is holding all your old free G Suite accounts hostage They are not holding these accounts hostage. You can export mail from Google. You can change your MX records to different servers. I've been bit as much as anyone by Google killing products, but honestly, it's amazing they've kept this product free for so long. And in this case, the product isn't being killed; they've simply decided to start charging for…

> You can export mail from Google.

I've tried to do it on some old G Suite accounts that got suspended and no, you can't.

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by fuzzy2 »

sschueller wrote: post #2

Any suggestions on a stack if one wants to run their own mail server? Debian with postfix and some sort of round cube still the way to go? I am aware of what it entails regarding IP "cleaning", setting a reverse record, SPF and DKIM. Just looking for tips on the software stack side.

I use mailcow-dockerized. The default web frontend, SOGo, is so-so, but I mostly use iOS Mail and Thunderbird to access it.

Re: Google Is Holding All Your Old Free G Suite Accounts Hostage

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Post by nullwarp »

sschueller wrote: post #2

Any suggestions on a stack if one wants to run their own mail server? Debian with postfix and some sort of round cube still the way to go? I am aware of what it entails regarding IP "cleaning", setting a reverse record, SPF and DKIM. Just looking for tips on the software stack side.

I use docker-mailcow for pretty much everything on a 20$/m linode instance and just use Postmark to do the actual delivery.

Been sharing this setup with about 20 family/friends for a while now (5 years?)

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