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My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to use Linux but it was a death by a thousand paper cuts of bugs and glitches. I've never experienced Windows stopping me from running a program, maybe you're actually trying to run malware? It's a good idea to install an antivirus or at least windows defender so you can avoid these.

Try Virtualbox in combination with docker and WSL2, that was a disaster in Windows.

How so?

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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I ran Linux on the desktop for 19 years before moving to Macs. I never had any hardware issues, because I always bought kit that was well-supported under Linux, and stayed away from, say, "winmodems" and wifi chipsets with Windows-only binary blobs. I think so many of the problems people have with trying to move to Linux is that they get a wild hair one day, and then just try to switch, using the Microsoft-subsidized…

I also tried to stay away from "winmodems", but even in 2022 I have hardware issues on Linux, on a boring business-class HP desktop(!), the very thing people say never has any issues under Linux... lol... I tracked it down to the Intel driver for ACPI or something breaking sleep/wakeup. It's a kernel issue so I guess I'll just have to wait 5 years for someone to fix it.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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> In 2015 when Windows 10 rebooted my machine to automatically install an update, closing down an unsaved document I was in the middle of working on, Do I have some magic aura that causes Microsoft to give me at least a 12 hour warning about updates? Because I honestly can't remember a time this sort of thing (instant update, no warning) has ever happened to me with Windows. I love Linux and do as much as I can for m…

> In 2015 when Windows 10 rebooted my machine to automatically install an update, closing down an unsaved document I was in the middle of working on,

I'll never understand why Linux users have this inescapable urge to leave unsaves changes in their apps and go on a two-week vacation. You have to save your files, people. It's computer 101.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Gave up on Microsoft in the 90s. Never looked back.

I've been trying since the 90s. I became a Linux expert, but I've still failed to switch to Linux. The reasons are probably: (A) The mythos of Microsoft collecting all of our information and storing it until the end of time seems incredibly unrealistic to me (B) I don't like friction, Linux is full of unnecessary friction to get anything done (C) Lack of commercial programs, and a user base that is actively hostile to the idea of commercial software (FOSS is better, don't you know?) and/or hostile to changes that would make commercial software more viable on Linux (D) Difficulty in actually fixing things, which I have tried to do many times (the Linux ecosystem is built from some truly awful codebases) (E) constant glitches and bugs, which I don't have time to track down and fix

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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1970s: Secretaries learn to use Emacs for documents, and to literally write Emacs Lisp to customize it to their needs 2020s: Professional software developers on Hackernews: "Desktop Linux doesn't have software that works exactly like the software I like, so it's a complete nonstarter. I'd rather keep bending over for Microsoft than deal with anything different or with any sort of learning required."

I laughed. Emacs is well-defined and well-designed. That doesn't apply to the rest of the software people have made for Linux in the last 50 years.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Am I the only one that uses Linux, Windows, and MacOS daily? Why settle for just one OS environment? What a time to be alive. I fail to see the value in all of these culture wars. It never ends. All of these systems work great for me. Thanks to all of hard work from all of the engineering teams and volunteers that put these systems together.

They're not merely culture wars, they're also value wars. Both Windows and MacOS are headed toward continuous behind-your-back communication with their respective motherships. In the case of Windows, they have the audacity to shamelessly advertise on your personal computer.

Correct. Many Linux users want Linux to "win" because they think they know what's best for people, and think that people should not be allowed to give over their personal information and privacy (which everyone presupposes Micro$oft takes from you) in exchange for working software. It leads to rhetoric and propaganda that's detached from reality, but it's for a good cause (getting people to switch to Linux).

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows after version 7 is essentially death by a thousand dark patterns, forced surprise updates, forgotten preferences, etc..

Linux is death by a thousand bugs and glitches, I've never experienced a dark pattern in Windows.

Staying on windows 95 for the last two decades is an underrated move, I definitely agree with that.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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post #89

I find it totally incomprehensible how anyone could possibly still use Windows seriously as a developer/hacker/programmer/interested in computing. Installing software in Windows is insane, relies on you to blindly trust an exe, non reproducible, and with no way to automate anything. Don't conflate problems with your proprietary software and Linux. Shockingly you may have to adapt and learn something new, or find some…

> I find it totally incomprehensible

Happy to help

> Installing software in Windows is insane, relies on you to blindly trust an exe, non reproducible, and with no way to automate anything

These three points are wrong, but I understand your confusion. You don't blindly trust an exe, you download it via https from the official website. The installs are "reproducible" to a point that 99% of users care about. You can automate installations for popular software quite easily.

> Don't conflate problems with your proprietary software and Linux. Shockingly you may have to adapt and learn something new, or find something equivalent.

"Conflation" is the wrong word there. But regardless, ironically you're conflating "not knowing" new software and complaining about bugs in new software. You seem to be saying that no one should do either, simply because both are a case of "not knowing". It's very popular to dismiss bugs in Linux software as someone "not knowing" how to use it, but it's lazy thinking.

> Don't conflate weird hardware issue as a fault with Linux for not supporting it. Blame the manufacturer for doing something esoteric.

That's wrong. On what basis do you say that all hardware issues on Linux are the result of the manufacturer doing "something esoteric"? In reality, having looked into it myself, it's very possible to hold Linux partly at fault for ALL hardware issues. Why? Because you may not know this but on Linux, unlike Windows, all drivers effectively must be approved and included in the kernel source code by L. Torvalds himself. That sets an incredibly high bar for driver availability, and causes Linux to lag behind other OSs in terms of driver support. Bet you also didn't know that hardware manufacturers need to retest their driver after every kernel update, because the kernel team often breaks things, and if the manufacturer doesn't keep on top of their driver code, it'll fall into disrepair. (Meanwhile on Windows your Windows vista drivers from 2007 will work in Windows 11(!)

> Not to mention all the blatantly user hostile features in Win 10/11

Most people do not experience features in Windows 10/11 that they consider harmful. You may experience them as harmful. You may see others experiencing them and consider them harmful. But most people who experience them do not find them harmful. Got it?

> inconsistencies (O(10) ways to decorate a window??)

Most people don't care about that, believe it or not (most people are smart enough to not fall off their chair and explode when they encounter a strangely-styled window border)

> I personally do not trust Microsoft at all.

Why do I get the feeing most posts like this could be summarized thusly...

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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It's good to know that this year is the year of the Linux Desktop. Just like last year. And the year before that. And the year before...

1996 was the year for Linux on the desktop. FVWM, then Windomaker, then Sawmill/Sawfish, now Xmonad. Never looked back. From working at a publisher to doing development work at several companies to freelancing as hacker for hire to giving my 80+ mother a safe desktop to do administration and finances on while I live some 1300 km to the north of her, Linux rules the roost. Why? Because it works. No nasty surprises, no…

I've come to this conclusion too. 1996 was the year of the Linux desktop. But... there's more to the story. In 1996 Linux was a clone of Unix, because there were still Unixes out there (HP-UX, SCO, etc.) that were charging $xx,000/seat. Everything good about Linux was taken from Unix. This put Unix vendors out of business, which is unfortunate because after that, Linux had nothing left to copy from. There were no new ideas from industry. Instead, it became design-by-committee and first-come-first-serve. That's why it's taken so long for X11 to be replaced by Wayland. Many internet flame wars had to happen before Wayland was uncontroversial enough to be included.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Linux isn't even close for normal people's desktop use. Just recently I tried and failed to simply set up a screensaver that turns my screen black (not off!) to save my display from burn-in. Eventually I just gave up. You can't do this with stock GNOME. I also tried xscreensaver (but the Debian-specific instructions in the man page are out of date) and xfce4-screensaver, both didn't work. I've been using Debian GNU/L…

To be fair, what you're looking for (black but not off) is probably not something many people would want or care about. But it does demonstrate how (A) inflexible and (B) feature-poor most Linux distros are
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