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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

leosarev wrote: post #19
throwmeariver1 wrote: post #13

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Are they? Do you know about their contract with yandex? You are emotional about something that is 100% financial in nature. If it wouldn’t be you can bet that with the Mozilla Foundation being the way they are in the last years would ponder themselves with a blog post or at least a tweet. Money talks or in this case it doesn’t anymore.

I'm ok with them cancelling contract with Yandex and changing defaults. I'm not ok with them removing this OPTION from browser.

Do you really believe the options provided are provided without the services paying for it?

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by smt88 »

BuckRogers wrote: post #20
smt88 wrote: post #12

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The deal is simple: when Russia stops slaughtering Ukrainian civilians, the rest of the world will stop isolating their economy. It's much like the shipping blockades that were used against the European Axis countries in WWII. Russian civilians should consider themselves lucky that the war is only economic for them.

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I don't think it's controversial that Putin deserves to be ousted by a foreign military as much as anyone. He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day.

> Install anyone else that's not insane, say Navalny.

Well, we definitely couldn't install anyone. We'd have to administrate an open election.

> I read they have 50% of their total combat brigades in Ukraine now.

This is a pretty antiquated assessment of military power. Boots on the ground show only that Russia wants to take Ukraine rather than completely destroy it. They can level the entire country with tactical nukes if they want.

> Installing a leader that is open to integrating with the west, along with India, we could encircle China and force them into peaceful deescalation.

I think it's more likely that we'd make China very dangerous and hostile, and we'd also re-open the world to the possibility of foreign regime change.

If we can decapitate Russia, why couldn't someone say, "Hey, this Biden guy stole the election, we should murder him for the good of the American people!"

Biden didn't steal the election, but I think you see where I'm going with it.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by Brian_K_White »

throwmeariver1 wrote: post #13
leosarev wrote: post #4

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Why this even relevant? I want to talk about Mozilla Firefox removing control from the user, which was their promise for years. I don't see difference between them doing it for political message, or Google doing it for profit.

Are they? Do you know about their contract with yandex? You are emotional about something that is 100% financial in nature. If it wouldn’t be you can bet that with the Mozilla Foundation being the way they are in the last years would ponder themselves with a blog post or at least a tweet. Money talks or in this case it doesn’t anymore.

I doesn't matter why, what and how are damning enough on their own.

A legit change in some deal does not explain several aspects of this update.

When something doesn't add up, you are supposed to scrutinize it, not just assume it's fine. If it was fine, then why wasn't there an honest explanation?

Mozilla did a bad thing. If our speculations about the why are wrong, it doesn't change anything about what is wrong with this update.

But even the speculation is fair game in this case because the update lacks all the normal and expected justification and explaination of any other merge request. Feel free to explain the above-board reason they made quite this nature of update in quite this peculiar way.

What other updates to your browser should be ok to just take blindly with no explanation? The immagination staggers.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by mistrial9 »

smt88 wrote: post #22
BuckRogers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think it's controversial that Putin deserves to be ousted by a foreign military as much as anyone. He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day. > Install anyone else that's not insane, say Navalny. Well, we definitely couldn't install anyone. We'd have to administrate an open election. > I read they have 50%…

from my understanding of the development of the international oil trade in the 20th century, one of the key advancements by multinational oil in the West was to learn lessons from the British, and do two important things on foreign soil: always back a leader that can hold on with local support; always pay the Nationalist/Military oil interests very well, in addition to making trade rights built-in.

Unfortunately, it seems that the "wild west" behavior of the USA in South America, in the wake of the brutal Spanish conquest long ago, made some enemies (that have oil) that are not easy to talk to now.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #23
throwmeariver1 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they? Do you know about their contract with yandex? You are emotional about something that is 100% financial in nature. If it wouldn’t be you can bet that with the Mozilla Foundation being the way they are in the last years would ponder themselves with a blog post or at least a tweet. Money talks or in this case it doesn’t anymore.

I doesn't matter why, what and how are damning enough on their own. A legit change in some deal does not explain several aspects of this update. When something doesn't add up, you are supposed to scrutinize it, not just assume it's fine. If it was fine, then why wasn't there an honest explanation? Mozilla did a bad thing. If our speculations about the why are wrong, it doesn't change anything about what is wrong with…

It’s their browser not yours if you don’t trust them use something else. I keep away from defaults especially search because they are usually paid for and not in good faith. They also dropped yandex two times already and you guessed it right… because of monetary reasons. This is not the smoking gun you want it to be.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ogurechny »

throwmeariver1 wrote: post #25
Brian_K_White wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doesn't matter why, what and how are damning enough on their own. A legit change in some deal does not explain several aspects of this update. When something doesn't add up, you are supposed to scrutinize it, not just assume it's fine. If it was fine, then why wasn't there an honest explanation? Mozilla did a bad thing. If our speculations about the why are wrong, it doesn't change anything about what is wrong with…

It’s their browser not yours if you don’t trust them use something else. I keep away from defaults especially search because they are usually paid for and not in good faith. They also dropped yandex two times already and you guessed it right… because of monetary reasons. This is not the smoking gun you want it to be.

“Their” browser is useless pile of code when it's not being run on someone's computer. My own computer, for example. Which is not their computer at all.

You people seem to be totally brainwashed by corporate bullshit.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ogurechny »

throwmeariver1 wrote: post #21
leosarev wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm ok with them cancelling contract with Yandex and changing defaults. I'm not ok with them removing this OPTION from browser.

Do you really believe the options provided are provided without the services paying for it?

Back in the days of sane version numbers, localized bookmarks and other stuff relied on local community input. Promotions were solitary and visible, just from their URL parameters. It changed when browser started to be seen as only a muzzle that sucks the meat source into data processing pipeline.

Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by throwmeariver1 »

ogurechny wrote: post #26
throwmeariver1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s their browser not yours if you don’t trust them use something else. I keep away from defaults especially search because they are usually paid for and not in good faith. They also dropped yandex two times already and you guessed it right… because of monetary reasons. This is not the smoking gun you want it to be.

“Their” browser is useless pile of code when it's not being run on someone's computer. My own computer, for example. Which is not their computer at all. You people seem to be totally brainwashed by corporate bullshit.

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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by BuckRogers »

smt88 wrote: post #22
BuckRogers wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I don't think it's controversial that Putin deserves to be ousted by a foreign military as much as anyone. He's certainly much more powerful and dangerous than Stalin or Hitler because he can unilaterally end human life on earth at any moment of any day. > Install anyone else that's not insane, say Navalny. Well, we definitely couldn't install anyone. We'd have to administrate an open election. > I read they have 50%…

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Re: Firefox removed Yandex search option

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Post by ogurechny »

throwmeariver1 wrote: post #28
ogurechny wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Their” browser is useless pile of code when it's not being run on someone's computer. My own computer, for example. Which is not their computer at all. You people seem to be totally brainwashed by corporate bullshit.

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That statement was not Firefox-specific. Marketing bullshit about saints above blessing lowly ignorant masses incapable of independent action with fad-of-the-year software (with a not so nice user agreement) should not be tolerated.

We can all laugh at people who can't change a search engine, and call them dumb, but when something like Mozilla decides “these users are dumb, they get used to it”, it's a tad different story.

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