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Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Financially supporting Google is the last thing I want to do. I'd rather flush the money down the toilet than pay for Youtube.

How about financially supporting the people whose content you consume?

You’re implying that giving money to Alphabet is a good way of doing that. I don’t think that’s even remotely true.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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You need to see the clusterfuck that is Twitter.com mobile site, it's so slow and laggy that it makes YT seem like a perfectly good page.

I really don't understand what they were thinking. They made such a big deal of the site being mobile-friendly, yet it's unbelievably slow and laggy. It's a lot of marketing that quickly falls apart in practice.

It's probably fast on the current gen iPhone and in their local test environment so they called it a day.

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Courts have interpreted derivative works to be so when at least some parts of it contain the original copyrighted work. If that test fails, the whole derivative work argument is null and void.

Do you know of a precedent? I wouldn't want to be the one with my neck on the line in court over this. Consider that .torrent files also don't have the content, yet torrent sites which serve them and provide tracking for torrent clients are having to play cat and mouse with copyright holders.

There have been court cases on this. In Galoob v. Nintendo, the Ninth Circuit ruled that Galoob did not infringe copyright by distributing a device (the Game Genie) that allowed users to modify copyrighted video games. The case established, at the time, that modifying a computer program or other copyrighted work for personal use was fair use.

That said, so much of what we knew about copyright and software in the 90s has been overturned by subsequent rulings or even statutes (like the DMCA) that if you wish to avoid being burned by copyright suits, you must retain an attorney knowledgeable in this area of law. (Which is true in any case.) As an example, look-and-feel copyrights are back on the table thanks to The Tetris Company LLC.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Do you know of a precedent? I wouldn't want to be the one with my neck on the line in court over this. Consider that .torrent files also don't have the content, yet torrent sites which serve them and provide tracking for torrent clients are having to play cat and mouse with copyright holders.

There have been court cases on this. In Galoob v. Nintendo , the Ninth Circuit ruled that Galoob did not infringe copyright by distributing a device (the Game Genie) that allowed users to modify copyrighted video games. The case established, at the time, that modifying a computer program or other copyrighted work for personal use was fair use. That said, so much of what we knew about copyright and software in the 90s…

I agree that a bunch of people who are all licencees of a software work should be able to exchange instructions with each other for how to modify that to work better for them; I'd like courts to see it that way.

These instructions do not increase the number of people who have copies of the work, and so no copying is taking place; copyright should not be applicable here. The licensor may argue that license clauses is being violated, but not copyright; i.e. the users are using the software in ways that they don't like (use is not copying or redistribution).

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case. There are plenty of successful software companies whose offerings are not proprietary, yet manage to pay their developers well. Example products: - MongoDB - Red Hat - Docker - Elastic Search - Vagrant

I don't know for MongoDB and Vagrant, but Docker and Elastic Search seem to me to be painted into a corner because of the non proprietary part of their business.

Seeing them succeed up to that point is already an incredible feat, and perhaps they will find a way to turn around with a bright future ahead, but at this point I wouldn't give them as clear examples of success of the business model.

Red Hat is IBM, so I'm not sure it fits in the list.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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Reminder for similar projects: Don't promote it over the internet. If people want to find it, they will do so eventually. Share it peer to peer instead.

I can think of very few projects that are p2p distributed only (and often they are available on internet archive)

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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A great issue for me with NewPipe is the fact that it does not support signing into an account. The developers claim it's a feature that will not be implemented. Without the great music recommendation system I might as well just listen to my Jellyfin song collection. What value does YouTube even have without recommendations?

At least for videos I use google spread sheet script to manage a bunch subscriptions into different private playlists accessible via sharelinks in Newpipe with psonsorblock. Allows me to keep things in sync with youtube account on other devices. https://github.com/Elijas/auto-youtube-subscription-playlist... Music I just use the default App and pay for the subscription.

Upgrade to a YouTube Premium family plan for $14.99/mo and have no ads in YT either...

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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You reminded me of SciHub. What is the prospect of being able to avail it in the future, given the current situation in Russia?

I thought it was run by someone in Kazakhstan, so it's not wholly dependent on Russia.

The website itself used to be hosted in St. Petersburg, Russia at least. Not sure if that's the case anymore though.

An American Court even found Sci-Hub guilty, in a lawsuit brought up by Elsevier. But nobody could enforce it, so it was just pointless in the end.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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I don't get this argument against proprietary software. People building software should be able to expect payment for their work and effort. Food is required for a healthy society but would anyone here advocate for farmers to give away all of their produce for free? Text-tiles are necessary for society but would you advocate that clothing be provided by the creators free of charge? The only thing different about soft…

You seem to be under the impression that permissively licensed software is unable to be sold, nor developers financially compensated. This is not the case. There are plenty of successful software companies whose offerings are not proprietary, yet manage to pay their developers well. Example products: - MongoDB - Red Hat - Docker - Elastic Search - Vagrant

I agree with your point, but you picked stunningly bad examples. MongoDB and ElasticSearch are both fauxpen source, and Vagrant and Docker are both open core. The only one on your list that's really open source is Red Hat. Better examples would be Nextcloud and Grafana.

Re: Vanced has been discontinued

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That's disappointing. I was in awe on how much better an alternative modded app was, when compared to the official one from Google, which supposedly has the "best" developers working on it.

How are you in awe? Google developers and vanced developers have different objectives. Of course the apps would have different experiences. Also the vanced devs got to use the decompiled Google app. Not like they started from scratch and made a better app.

Have you ever worked with decompiled apps? It's extremely hard. Even more props to Vanced. Yes like they are playing a game on "Hard" mode, while Google is on "Easy".
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