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My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Fair comments but as someone who has tried many times to adopt Linux, I can honestly state that nothing in Windows comes close to the user-hostile UX approach in Linux. For example, Radarr is an extremely popular tool for managing movies. It connects to usenet and torrent clients, as well as indexers and movie databases. It makes maintaining a home movie collection seamless. Radarr is not in major package managers, a…

> Radarr is not in major package managers, and requires the CLI for install ( https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/installation#linux ). In Windows, I double click an .exe. In Linux I have to follow a reasonably complicated and time consuming installation process, full of opportunities to misconfigure the install. Why are directing this complaint against Linux and not Radarr? They could choose to package it for various Li…

Or they could just provide an AppImage. It would be great if major distros added out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages. This would finally put an end to ISV saying that it is hard to package/distribute software for linux.

And by "out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages" I mean: run it inside a sandbox! If I didn't care about stability and security, I'd use windows.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Radarr is not in major package managers, and requires the CLI for install ( https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/installation#linux ). In Windows, I double click an .exe. In Linux I have to follow a reasonably complicated and time consuming installation process, full of opportunities to misconfigure the install. Why are directing this complaint against Linux and not Radarr? They could choose to package it for various Li…

Or they could just provide an AppImage. It would be great if major distros added out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages. This would finally put an end to ISV saying that it is hard to package/distribute software for linux. And by "out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages" I mean: run it inside a sandbox! If I didn't care about stability and security, I'd use windows.

There are many potential solutions, but the point is that Radarr is the one choosing not to make installation easier. It isn’t “Linux”.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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I've been on a similar journey and have largely ended up in the same sort of place - "Well, everything else has gone to hell in a handbasket, so I suppose I'll use the only things left I don't actively object to." And that list is getting smaller.

You could mostly call me a "Unix Greybeard" at this point - I grew up with Windows, learned the joys of Unix on IRIX in the early 2000s, and never really went back. Linux is for servers and dev work desktops, but for about 18 years I'd been using OS X as a daily driver desktop. It really does "just work" for an awful lot of values of work, and it interfaces very nicely with Linux systems and has done so for a long while. With Microsoft's WSL and actually shipping a bloody SSH client now, Windows interfaces better, but it's a bit too little, too late.

I never really objected to Windows, just never had much of a use case for it - but, despite that, I typically had a Windows desktop of some variety or another laying around for various purposes, and a Windows VM or three for [whatever] - currently I've got a Win10 VM that mostly runs UPS WorldShip (I used to ship a lot of hazmat, and I actually like the program for my shipping needs).

Windows 10 has gotten "progressively more annoying" about online accounts. You used to be able to just say "No, thank you, I want a local account only." Then the options got more hidden, and then the option disappeared unless you literally don't have a network connection when you're installing it, and if you have a local account it starts nagging you more and more to "sign in with Microsoft!" Yes, you can turn it off, but the default is to badger the user. I don't want an online account for my local operating systems, thank you very much. Never have, never will.

Windows 11, though, has turned into a "Nope, never..." option for me. Maybe in a VM if I really need to. The two major things that really upset me are the transition to a "You can't have a local account only on Win11 Home," and the bug in the beta in which a bad advertising JSON blob (from Microsoft!) absolutely hosed Explorer, rendering the OS unusable. There is no computing world I'm OK with in which basic OS operation and functionality should be rendered unusable by bad data from the internet, and that tells me where the priorities for Microsoft are: Tightly integrated advertising. With the "We must know your email address to use our OS," there's almost certainly some variety of behavioral analysis going on that they can use to profit on the backend from the "free" OS. You're the source of raw materials, and all... so Windows 11 is out.

Apple was going well, and I really appreciated their privacy stance... and then they seem to have badly miscalculated and blown most of that trust, in my book, with the on-device, anti-user CSAM scanning that was a beautiful, ivory tower, academic exercise in novel crypto, that seems to have fallen apart literally as soon as people got their hands on the concept to play with. The photo hashing they're using couldn't withstand any basic adversarial attacks (either in terms of mutating images to avoid being detected, or in terms of deliberate image collisions), and they seem to have been caught dazed and confused in how their responses to concerns about it were almost "Oh, yeah, uh... yeah, we're definitely defending against that concern with this thing we just thought of at 3AM." The later documents and FAQs read like the output of someone operating on no sleep for a couple weeks, and some of their internal email quotes regarding the "screeching minority" didn't exactly go over very well either.

Yes, I know they've "delayed" it, but they've not said "We're sorry, that was a terrible idea, and we're not going to do that or anything like it" either, so... Apple's out. Sad, really, the M1 Mac Mini I bought when it was announced is, by far, the best computer I've used across a huge variety of metrics, and the M1 Mac Pros are quite literally exactly what I want in a laptop. Oh well. I'll find alternatives.

If I'm going to continue using modern computing (which, unfortunately, isn't quite as optional as I'd really prefer in the modern world), that leaves me staring down the Linux path, and so I've gone that way. Linux on the desktop isn't perfect, but neither is it nearly as painful as it used to be. It does most of the stuff I care about - and my attitude has changed around to, "If I can't do it on Linux, then I suppose it's not something I should particularly care about doing." I'm at a point in my life where that's entirely viable for me, so it's the route I've gone.

... and then for added pain, because I'm apparently allergic to working computers at this point, I've gotten pretty well upset with Intel over the last few years with "Yet Another Microarchitectural Vulnerability" (and then the endless variations on a theme that they didn't patch against when they fixed the first set - come on, if the academics understand your processors better than the people in charge of fixing them, that's a problem too). AMD is an option, but as ARM has been coming up the ladder quickly in performance, I've set out to try and use as much ARM as I can. So, my primary laptop, for when I use it, is a PineBook Pro, I've got an ODroid N2+ and RasPi4 running as office desktops (and am uncomfortably excited about the upcoming Rock5 with NVMe and 16GB RAM), etc. I still have some x86 in my life for certain things, but I'm trying very hard to reduce that over time.

While I'm at it, I've gone back to a flip phone, and I don't even bother bringing that with me half the time I go out anymore.

I won't say I always like the corners I've painted myself into, but I'm at least comfortable with where I am. I'm not having to say, "This thing Company X is doing is horrible... but, I mean, what am I gonna do?" and then use Company X's software/hardware. I'm able to do most of the things I want to do, even if they're a bit more roundabout than they used to be, and I'm OK with that.

But, as I get older, even working in the low weeds of tech, I do look forward to, at some point, being able to just put down a computer for the last time. The future they promised and the future we got have diverged so badly, and just continue to diverge.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Adobe CC, Microsoft Office and Visual Studios prevent an all out shift to linux for the majority. LibreOffice, VSCode, Gimp/Inkscape and everything JetBrains has to offer just doesn't make the cut yet. But we are getting close by each passing year.

I greatly prefer Google docs to Microsoft Office. Their online versions feel like afterthoughts.

I don't know that the people concerned about Microsoft to the point that they will suffer the pain of breaking all their habits to break free, are going to rush to Google...

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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1970s: Secretaries learn to use Emacs for documents, and to literally write Emacs Lisp to customize it to their needs 2020s: Professional software developers on Hackernews: "Desktop Linux doesn't have software that works exactly like the software I like, so it's a complete nonstarter. I'd rather keep bending over for Microsoft than deal with anything different or with any sort of learning required."

That's a wildly improper comparison, those secretaries were using that single text editor, strictly during their worktime. A (power)user today - besides learning the quirks of a whole operating system - possibly needs to adopt their workplace workflow, personal apps, media consumption, all the connected hardware like inputs, display, printer, smartphone connection, networking...

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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1970s: Secretaries learn to use Emacs for documents, and to literally write Emacs Lisp to customize it to their needs 2020s: Professional software developers on Hackernews: "Desktop Linux doesn't have software that works exactly like the software I like, so it's a complete nonstarter. I'd rather keep bending over for Microsoft than deal with anything different or with any sort of learning required."

"Sorry... I'd love to make the switch but I can't do it until they get Apple Mail up and running."

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

#38

Fair comments but as someone who has tried many times to adopt Linux, I can honestly state that nothing in Windows comes close to the user-hostile UX approach in Linux. For example, Radarr is an extremely popular tool for managing movies. It connects to usenet and torrent clients, as well as indexers and movie databases. It makes maintaining a home movie collection seamless. Radarr is not in major package managers, a…

Any reason not to watch commercial streaming services on Linux, or physical media?

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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> In 2015 when Windows 10 rebooted my machine to automatically install an update, closing down an unsaved document I was in the middle of working on, Do I have some magic aura that causes Microsoft to give me at least a 12 hour warning about updates? Because I honestly can't remember a time this sort of thing (instant update, no warning) has ever happened to me with Windows. I love Linux and do as much as I can for m…

Heh, that was what prompted me to switch to Linux, all the way back in 2003!

Suddenly saw that Windows was rebooting the computer. I had about 1 minute of warning and I lost a lot of work.

Re: My transition from Windows to Linux in an anti-customer age

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or they could just provide an AppImage. It would be great if major distros added out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages. This would finally put an end to ISV saying that it is hard to package/distribute software for linux. And by "out-of-the box support for flatpaks and appimages" I mean: run it inside a sandbox! If I didn't care about stability and security, I'd use windows.

There are many potential solutions, but the point is that Radarr is the one choosing not to make installation easier. It isn’t “Linux”.

I've looked into stuff like this and often it turns out the reason for a lack of [obvious solution] is:

1: Essential libraries fail

2: Documentation missing needed details

3: hostility to inquiry about problems from community

And on. The Linux community is so much better than it was when I first tried it, but the old guard (and new guard that likes gatekeeping) is still there causing a ruckus and getting in the way of people trying to advance Linux.

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