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How did this many deaths become normal?

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Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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Without making a moral judgement on it, I think the largest factor is that on some level societies consider the death of the elderly due to disease natural.

> on some level societies consider the death of the elderly due to disease natural

Of course it is natural!

You have to die of something. Old age weakens us to the point where the body either wears out directly or our cannot mount an adequate response to an otherwise 'ordinary' infection or injury.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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Normal? Accepting?

Did you forget about lockdowns, mask mandates, the unprecedented speed at which we developed and deployed the vaccine, that all news for the last two years were almost all about covid (only recently displaced by the Ukraine war).

You call that normal?! Though it is a completely different thing, it almost makes 9/11 looks like a detail. With 9/11, we had a few days of cancelled flights, and more security checks, with covid, we had months when we couldn't fly at all, and the time we could, we had masks and tests, sometimes even quarantines. Covid is the most world-changing event since WW2.

And all that because we didn't want people to die. We could have let people die, humanity never was is danger of extinction or anything like that. In fact, it could have been a way to "help society get rid of the burden of the elderly" (a common theme among conspiracy theorists). But no, we wanted people to stay alive, as if we weren't monsters.

In fact, many people think we overdid it, a debatable position, but in any way, we are totally not considering it "normal".

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It surprised me for some reason, but the average age of a covid death in the US is 80, and 81 in the UK.

That's mainly because both the US and UK actually had an organised response, mask mandates, banned mass gatherings, ramped up restrictions as hospital admissions rose to try to manage impact on health services, etc. Over here in the UK we also set up an effective vaccination programme very early too, with strong public support and broad political consensus. We did better at it here, sure, but it's not like the US had…

90% of Brazil's population is <60yr old.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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post #13
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's mainly because both the US and UK actually had an organised response, mask mandates, banned mass gatherings, ramped up restrictions as hospital admissions rose to try to manage impact on health services, etc. Over here in the UK we also set up an effective vaccination programme very early too, with strong public support and broad political consensus. We did better at it here, sure, but it's not like the US had…

90% of Brazil's population is <60yr old.

Exactly my point, having a much younger population didn’t save them because they didn’t employ effective countermeasures. Even with this huge demographic advantage over e.g the USA they still had a higher death rate per population.

The idea that coronavirus is only a problem for the very old, and countermeasures aren’t necessary to protect younger people (including middle aged people) is just obviously false when you look at countries like Brazil with 600,000 deaths, most of them of working age.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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The million covid deaths are being ignored because they're politically embarrassing for Joe Biden and Democrats. Otherwise the NYT would be running a multipage spread listing the names of the deceased. I wish it was more complicated than that but it isn't.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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post #6

A simple google search would have shown the author that on average about 2.5 million americans die each year. So millions of americans dying is the norm. Not only that as the population continues to age, the number of deaths will only climb until we hit an inflection point. Besides, what does he want? Americans to be hysterically grieving for eternity? What's with the media and their neverending campaign to have us s…

> Besides, what does he want? Americans to be hysterically grieving for eternity?

Yes! That makes PR/propaganda significantly easier which is valuable to the people in the PR/propaganda industry (the same people writing the news.) This is why you should tune out things that sound like propaganda.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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post #12

Normal? Accepting? Did you forget about lockdowns, mask mandates, the unprecedented speed at which we developed and deployed the vaccine, that all news for the last two years were almost all about covid (only recently displaced by the Ukraine war). You call that normal?! Though it is a completely different thing, it almost makes 9/11 looks like a detail. With 9/11, we had a few days of cancelled flights, and more sec…

I sometimes wonder if I’ll ever feel normal again. I’ve been operating in an exceptional, “emergency” state for too long. Two years ago this week is when everyone I know went remote. “Two weeks to slow the spread”, remember? Life has been forever altered.

Re: How did this many deaths become normal?

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post #12

Normal? Accepting? Did you forget about lockdowns, mask mandates, the unprecedented speed at which we developed and deployed the vaccine, that all news for the last two years were almost all about covid (only recently displaced by the Ukraine war). You call that normal?! Though it is a completely different thing, it almost makes 9/11 looks like a detail. With 9/11, we had a few days of cancelled flights, and more sec…

The Atlantic is a left leaning mag. From that perspective, the "how could we let it happen like this" was, I believe, specifically about the culture wars: ie how could so many reds let their neighbors die because they valued mask freedom over lives.

As a society we've normalized individual freedom over collective lives as a new value, something which wasn't true in, say, the WW2 era of collective rationing. Half the country was fine letting millions die because they believed some youtuber on masks and vax.

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