Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

Post by BlueTemplar » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 3:20 PM UTC

phplovesong wrote: post #20

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

They do this so more countries like Finland would join NATO. There is really no other reason.

Post by Ntrails » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 3:26 PM UTC

Terry_Roll wrote: post #138

rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

> GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences What normally happens is the GPS stops working and then you lose your satnav, so you dont know where you are going until you reset the satnav and even then it might not work. This is why Streetview logged all the wifi it could find and uses wifi to roughly place a phone in an area to make the gps locating algorithms faster. Now i…

Post by verisimi » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

iszomer wrote: post #102

Moru wrote: post #86

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Yes ofcourse we are all the same, people. But we people have been brought up in different cultures and been fed different naratives so we act differently depending on what we have been brought up to. We can learn to be one way or other to a certain degree.

Going on a different tangent, I watched an interesting video [1] from The Behavior Panel podcast attempting to discern tactics from Putin's social cues in parallel to the trustworthiness of his messaging and, whether the historical context he provided were reliable or not. I think I can reasonably conclude from watching their perspective that he's masterful in deception. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCXGQzuaNi…

Post by saiya-jin » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 3:33 PM UTC

Delk wrote: post #95

WilTimSon wrote: post #66

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Well, it might be so but what's the point in Russia pissing off Finland while a good chunk of its forces is dedicated to the war in Ukraine? They're irrational but surely going "Let's start a war on TWO fronts!" is a step too far even for them?

There's no way Russia pissing Finland off to any conceivable degree would risk war or military retaliation from present-day Finland. None. The same goes for any other Nordic (and Baltic) countries. The current Russian regime likes to demonstrate its power now and then, though, and to try and project its influence through intimidation. They can do that with their significantly smaller neighbours with no risk of milita…

Post by mejutoco » Sun, Mar 13, 2022, 3:35 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #123

yason wrote: post #51

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Russia generally acts rationally. It's just that the assumptions and axioms on top of which rationality is applied is different from the West and ― apparently ― not uncommonly delusional. This made it very hard for the West to believe what Russia was saying for years about Ukraine, for example. Further, the explanations seem to differ whether they're addressed to Russians or to other countries. Russia's own populatio…

Putin's approval rating in Russia has only increased since the war in Ukraine started. Also, Russian weaponry has only improved since the fall of the USSR. I'm not sure why you're arguing that Russia cannot do what they are currently doing.