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TLDW crap movies teach us crap lessons

I skimmed through the video which it seems to use as example 4-5 crap movies

I'd like to see this video using Falling down, American beauty, Fight club, Se7en as examples, the first three among the movies which formed me the most and taught me valuable lessons.

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I have a different problem with the modern movies - modern people have pretty much seen everything, but still ask "show me something I haven't seen before", so movies try their best to create "novelties", and end up with crazy plot twists that make the story worse. But then the novelty wears off quickly as we've seen everything yet again, so movies have to find newer and crazier shit to keep us entertained, and devia…

I dunno, I watch couple hundreds movies per year for decades and still Manchester by the sea (2016) or Jagten (2012) hit me hard without any crazy plot twists.

It also helps to switch away from Hollywood, lot of great Iranian movies for instance.

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Another enormous gripe I have with modern movies, other than the (lack of) interesting moral lessons from OP, is the sound design. Loud explosions and music, with quiet, mumbled lines[1]. I'm forced to watch every movie with subtitles on, or to miss a good chunk of the dialogue. And I'd go beyond that, and blame the mumbled lines for our lack of interesting quotes. It's a lot harder to have unexpected turns of phrase…

> I'm forced to watch every movie with subtitles on Me, too… but my kids say they can hear everything just fine and please turn off the subtitles. It’s possible we’re just getting old.

Could it be we are use to media/news reporting so we struggle with movies?

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> movies are given money on the premise that they will make money so what would be an alternative funding model? A patreon or kickstarter like model where directors and stars are pre-paid via crowd funding? A state sponsored funding model? Non-profit model?

The original model where 1 big movie would pay for 6 break-even and 4 non-profitable movies :) Too bad we may never return to that.

If you could make 1 big movie that pays out a lot (enough to cover the "duds"), then why not just drop the "duds" and keep making those big movies?

the current status quo is a natural evolution of the prior status quo. That's why i think you have to have a new status quo by finding an alternative funding model.

I think potential crowd funding is possible - a movie is crowd funded with no expectation of profit from the funders (they only get a ticket/copy of the movie for their backing dollar).

I don't like a state-sponsored funding model, mainly due to the ability for the state then to manipulate the movie against the artistic vision. This can't happen with a crowd funding model, since the crowd cannot directly manipulate the director (after all, the money is already paid, the director would not need to acquiesce to anyone but his own artistic direction!).

Whether these funding models can out-compete a studio big budget funding model remains to be seen. I'm not holding my breath tho.

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I think captain marvel is an interesting one on this note. It is a problem in recent films that writers want to overpower women to make things fair, and they do a disservice to the women by doing so. Captain marvel seems to address this directly and in a more mature way. Her character does start weak. She is shown losing repeated to her officer in physical fights and feeling inferior. Later she becomes the most power…

A character who is put down, becomes angry, then becomes powerful and carries that anger forward. Yawn. That is the background of about half of comic characters. Compare Captain America. He was week and abused, became powerful, but actively decides not to carry baggage. It is a fish-out-of-water character that has to constantly reconcile ideology with army-inspired pragmatism and loyalty. And he has a foil (Iron Man)…

Replace captain marvel with a man or an alien or anything and you still got the same story. Captain marvel being a woman adds no value or difference in this story.

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Hey, I'm out. You are too intense to have a nice conversation with. You seem really angry about this, maybe it's worth interrogating that. Can't have a conversation with someone who is just yelling.

> You seem really angry about this

Well, as I have tried to indicate before, only the words are mine, the tone and emotion you attribute to them while reading are entirely yours and are limited by your experience with people. If you are still watching superhero movies with engagement, it is very likely that you are attributing the emotions of those overblown characters to people you encounter.

There is no anger and definitely no yelling here.

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I wear earplugs for live music when I go to the movies nowadays

I thought about something like that too but than there are dialogues which are already hard to understand because they're not loud enough just before you get blasted with sound effects again...well yeah..one more reason why I don't go to the movies so much anymore.

The types of ear plugs for music are high-fidelity and barely distort the sounds you actually want to hear, like dialogue.

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OP is replying to a video titled 'why modern movies suck'. So OP is not referring to nostalgia. It's more a reaction to 'old times wow, now sucks'. If the video was titled 'Why I love these old films', then your reply makes sense.

I'm just replying to the notion of that the critique has a undertone of fascist feeling. The comment is somehow anchored in that any critique of modern movies is reactionary and does not have any merit of its own. What I'm trying to convey is that there is a difference between critique that is somewhat nostalgic and it would be different if the critique was ideological. I don't find much ideological bias in "the crit…

He literally starts by saying that these modern films are creating "a generation of shit people" and as proof asks you to log into TikTok and flashes up a clip of a young woman.

Why is this person 'shit'? I have no idea. Why is this whole generation 'shit'? Especially compared with a slightly older male Youtuber talking about Mulan, which many impartial observers would place in broadly the same class of pointless internet celeb.

If I wanted to briefly indicate the problems of this (or any other) generation, I could think of better things to flash up than a girl talking on TikTok, but apparently this wholesome nostalgia for the movies of his youth requires him to do this and say those things. And you didn't even notice this?

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American English has something like 15 distinct vowels. That’s not that much less than your citation of Khmer, and way more than many languages. Any claim that American English has a uniquely poor vowel inventory is just wrong.

Perhaps I didn't specify that perfectly. I wasn't saying English is poor in vowels, I'm saying that it is flexible in how you use them. Khmer has 22 specific vowel letters, each letter that indicates exactly how the sound is made, even the differences that of how the previous letter will effect the sound. English has 5, and no real consensus on how they are used, let alone the tone of voice that you need to use to in…

“Letters” are irrelevant. We are talking about the spoken language, not the writing system. American English has 15 or 16 vowels, and (not counting tone) the distinctions between them are just as meaningful as in Khmer or any other language. “Bit” and “beet”, or “but” and “boot” are different words, after all. Where are you seeing “flexibility” in the use of vowels?

Again, we are not talking about “letters” or the writing system here. Yes, there are many distinct vowels that are written the same, and conversely many different ways of writing the same vowel, but that’s irrelevant to the discussion of spoken language.

And, yes, I know what a tonal language is, and you’re right that English isn’t one. It’s hardly unique or special in that. Most languages aren’t tonal.

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I call that sort of "good" plots "character-oriented plot". One best example is Breaking Bad, which is not movie, but it is a great show anyway. The episode of Fly is a good example how well BB portrayed character's personality. with character-oriented plot, we have character first, and let them play drama. It is like having initial condition and seeing how things evolve in Ordinary Differential Equation. Everything…

> One best example is Breaking Bad Breaking Bad is my usual example of bad plot building. I'm sure I haven't given it a fair chance as it's universally so highly liked, but the plot events were very much built up so that you could see what's coming. You are already anticipating some events, or they feel predictable and made up, as if precisely to serve the show. They don't come through as authentic. I stopped watchin…

Well, if you only watched 1.5 seasons and you have this strong an opinion about it, you deserve the downvotes. Like any good story, the ending is completely inevitable from the outset, when if you don't always see it coming. I hate when stories are unpredictable in an unearned way, just to be surprising, particularly when it betrays who the characters actually are.
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