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Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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the # if people in the US with glucose monitors says differently.

There is a difference between "for breakfast every now and then" and "all day every day". I have a feeling that those who would be putting themselves under the risk of using glucose monitors tend to fall more into the latter group.

I would guess 90% of people who's eat ice cream for breakfast would be the type to consistently make bad health choices.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I ran my class like a job (senior level interactive media). We had assignments with deadlines and I did PR reviews. Deadlines are deadlines. Cut scope, features, etc but absolutely no late work. You can guess how it went.

> I ran my class like a job... Deadlines are deadlines. We were having a conversation at my college about deadlines at some training thing and someone pointed out that almost no job is like that . That movie scenario where the guy has a big presentation, but it's also his daughter's dressage recital or whatever, and if he misses the presentation he'll lose his job? That doesn't happen. In the real world, you just say…

You are not wrong but it was a class agreement upfront and I, of course, am human as well and gave TONs of extensions.

They didn't like it, though. And unlike CS courses (this was in a media dept) none of the homework was very hard or required more than a few hours of effort.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Saying “because I said so.” Or “stop it,” out of frustration. Family members have babysat my kids, and this is a mistake I see all the time. If you tell kids not to do something, always tell them why. And be honest about it. It’s kids’ job to learn about the world, and it’s your job as a parent to teach them about it.

That's not a dumb rule, that's a bad explanation of a rule that may in fact be good. "You can't stay up until midnight because I said so." Few parents would argue that not letting them stay up until midnight is a dumb rule. But the example certainly has a bad explanation. The problem with this entire thread is that without concrete examples everyone is imagining their own which, not coincidentally, happen to match th…

That’s true, I guess I think bad explanations of good rules are insidious: they alienate kids and create an us-vs-them mentality. If parents stay up late but don’t allow their kids to stay up late, it seems like parents are entitled and even a five year old can sense entitlement.

Here’s the thing, though: it’s true that going to bed early is a good rule, and it’s also true that parents feel entitled; that their rules apply to their kids but not them. That’s one reason kids hate their parents - they often deserve it!

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Totally agree. My mom might get roasted for the few times she swatted me on the ass, but nobody would say a word about her moving my brother and i to a place five hours away from our dad and huge extended family. I would take the former every day if it would have prevented the latter.

A similar thing happened to me. Except my parents decided, somehow, that moving one of us to live with my mom and the other to live with my dad five hours away was a good idea. I've tried to forgive them for doing this, but I'm not making much headway.

A helpful way to deal with childhood trauma, I've found, is to take a wide perspective. The speech that Tom Hanks as Walt Disney, who was abused by his father, gives in the 2013 movie "Saving Mr. Banks" beautifully encapsulates this idea and eloquently delivers this advice: overcome your past. Here is the full speech: https://moviewise.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/saving-mr-banks/

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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Made me sad reading this. I've avoided this by making sure everyone knows you never increase grades, unless there's a grading error. Also, in spite of putting more nicely worded instructions than the ones in the article, I always have around 2% of students completely miss them. More instructions have not decreased that for me. So why do more of them?

At one point I said to a student - "You should really work as hard at learning as you do trying to negotiate a higher grade!" I assume they rated me low, but I stopped reading those things years ago.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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It's a matter of probability like everything in life. A good parent can lead to good outcomes, say, 60% of the time. A bad parent, 20% of the time. The numbers are random, but that's the idea. In retrospect, the vast majority of parents I knew when I was a kid were "bad," not in the sense of abusive, but in the sense of having no idea. They didn't have any clue about their own lives, how many could they have about th…

i think you're making the mistake of judging them with hindsight. they made the best possible decision with the resources they had, their mental model and their risk tolerance and belief in the world

"they made the best possible decision with the resources they had, their mental model and their risk tolerance and belief in the world"

Can this not be said for any action, any thought, including, if we are talking about parenting, beating the kids up? "It is the way I was brought up, my father always told me, a few slaps and they'll learn!". "I was feeling so alone and I could not control myself when they were crying, I am so sorry I decided to use the stove gas to put them to sleep, that's what my grandmother used to do!".

My belief is that that kind of "therapist's speech", which as becoming more popular as therapy became the fashionable path for people wanting to make changes in their lives, of "you did your best", "those were the tools that you had available at the time", has caused many to avoid their responsibilities by paying therapists (people who got "second hand smoke" did not even had to pay) like times back they used priest to carry the same function and getting the same result: absolution and comfort.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I've often thought the same thing about becoming an adult, especially a parent, in general. There are so many choices that I harshly judged older people for making (how to allocate their time and money, where to live, what to allow or not allow the kids to do, how to behave at work, etc.) that I now find myself making as a married guy in my mid-30s with four kids. It makes me sad, but on each point I'm like, "Oh, now…

I frequently say that 16 y/o Chris would be very disappointed in 40 y/o Chris. But 16 y/o Chris was an idiot. As you touched on, the fun twist is when you abstract the learning so it’s not just “I was wrong about X” but “I should be much more accepting of contrarian views.”

I am in my late 30ies and was recently thinking something like that about my 24 year old self... but sometimes I think, what if 3X-year old me is the one who's the idiot? Your brain has to go downhill at some point... judgment too, probably, even if the brain is not going downhill yet. How does one know it didn't start happening at 25/35/...?

Like, I was much more excited about tinkering with tech when I was 25. I know I was, I know it made me happy, I know that is what got me where I am now in terms of money/etc., but I can rarely summon these feelings now. That is clearly degradation, if I could swap some "wisdom" or whatever that I gained for enthusiasm I would do it.

What else has degraded?

Let's consider a more ambivalent one, I was excited when Facebook/etc. came out but I think TikTok/Snapchat etc. are stupid gimmicks... am I wiser, or just older and more boring?

Etc.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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> every word of the assignment creatively misinterpreted OTOH when I took operating systems I got an assignment that said “implement a job scheduler, using FIFO, LIFO or round-robin job scheduling”. So I picked FIFO, got it working and I had time left over so I thought, “what the hell? I’ll do LIFO too”. So I did, and I still had time so I took a crack at round-robin, but I didn’t have time so I turned it what I had,…

> every word of the assignment creatively misinterpreted I hear you, communication is hard, but trust me your statement and the authors are an AND not an OR :) the difference is scale. the students are about 1v30 when it comes to opportunities for badly written assignments. In a typical semester, I am 1v120+ hostile attacks on my communication skills The number of students I have that actively presume I am trying to…

> The number of students I have that actively presume I am trying to trick them is truly astonishing.

Because we all have experience of you guys doing just that.

I once had a question on an exam for high voltage power “why do high voltage transmission lines have 3 wires”. The answer I put seemed obvious, that each wire is for one of the 3 phases of electricity. This is the standard config for HV lines in the US.

The answer was wrong, because the professor was talking about INSIDE the cable and wanted an answer relating to how the electromagnetic field rotates around the wire so they bunch wires inside each line to improve efficiency.

Professors, especially elite ones, have seemingly perfected the art of being vague. As a student you have zero recourse against them for their terrible communication skills, your only hope is to dodge the whacky ones by befriending upperclassmen/being in a frat.

Re: Teaching is a slow process of becoming everything you hate

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I've often thought the same thing about becoming an adult, especially a parent, in general. There are so many choices that I harshly judged older people for making (how to allocate their time and money, where to live, what to allow or not allow the kids to do, how to behave at work, etc.) that I now find myself making as a married guy in my mid-30s with four kids. It makes me sad, but on each point I'm like, "Oh, now…

I just had my first child at age 40 and of course my experience is similar to yours. I can't help but wonder if delaying (or eschewing) having children is contributing to what seems to be a broadening generational gap. I'm learning lessons in early middle-age that previous generations learned in their early twenties. I could have used some of this new empathy I'm feeling for my parents and their generation 15-20 year…

For sure. Not to mention someone like me who is child free and never going to learn these lessons.
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