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Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by supergirl »

waihtis wrote: post #52
supergirl wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Evaluation of Russia by Finnish Intelligence Colonel I can't take this talk seriously. it's just a bunch of history bits used to explain and reinforce stereotypes about Russians. "Russians like strong leaders" because Russia was once invaded by mongols who also had strong leaders. Russians always think the leader is infallible because he gets his power from God. Then almost in the next sentence he says Russians hat…

Reality shatters your point really quickly, it's even mentioned in the lecture (suggesting you didn't watch it): Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy.

My point was the explanations in the video are shower thoughts. If you want to understand why Russia is how it is just read a real history work on Russia not this guy’s shower thoughts

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by BasDirks »

verisimi wrote: post #36
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

In all honesty, we don't know anything about anything. Did the jamming really happen, did Russia do it, etc? There are in fact reasons why anti-Russian countries would undertake this themselves, or even just make up the story. The reasons being that it drums up support for their cause, draws lines that people have to be on one side or another, etc. Ultimately, this is an epistemological question - what do we know? An…

> Is trusting those sources really an acceptable basis for any autonomous individual to proceed?

You yourself are awefully fond of basing elaborate narratives on dubious sources, which is fine, but why then stoop to high-school debate club level gaslighting like "Ultimately, this is an epistemological question - what do we know? And the only things one can say one knows, is stuff you have personally verified.", unless this is satire?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

quattrofan wrote: post #10
janmarsal wrote: post #7

Fake news. This is not unusual. Just one of those things that keeps happening when Russia is your neighbor.

Huh? How is it fake news if it's happening and you seem to agree it is with "Russia on your border"

If it happens all the time, then how is it "unusual" as the title say?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by waihtis »

supergirl wrote: post #61
waihtis wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reality shatters your point really quickly, it's even mentioned in the lecture (suggesting you didn't watch it): Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy.

My point was the explanations in the video are shower thoughts. If you want to understand why Russia is how it is just read a real history work on Russia not this guy’s shower thoughts

Just parroting the word "shower thought" isn't making any effect here. How about presenting an opposite view instead?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by speedgoose »

> GPS spoofing is hard to stop because the signal the satellites emit from low-Earth orbit to potentially add encryption and certificates cannot be changed.

Why ? I thought the military GPS signals were encrypted. They could make a new GPS version on a new frequency with at least crypto signed messages.

We can’t have such a flaw on the protocol forever.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by WilTimSon »

waihtis wrote: post #3
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

Suggesting Russians are playing a rational game here? I think the cover has been pulled on the Russian "master strategy".. it's literally a hierarchy of terror and lies, where everyone will do whatever it takes to please the irrational autocrat. I have been spamming this lecture everywhere since the war started and again I think anyone who's still questioning the Russian operative reality should watch it: Evaluation…

Well, it might be so but what's the point in Russia pissing off Finland while a good chunk of its forces is dedicated to the war in Ukraine? They're irrational but surely going "Let's start a war on TWO fronts!" is a step too far even for them?

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by madaxe_again »

waihtis wrote: post #64
supergirl wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point was the explanations in the video are shower thoughts. If you want to understand why Russia is how it is just read a real history work on Russia not this guy’s shower thoughts

Just parroting the word "shower thought" isn't making any effect here. How about presenting an opposite view instead?

Their entire recent comment history is contrarian “maybe the Ukrainians are Nazis, maybe they aren’t, how can anyone know”, “the Soviet Union mostly did good things”, etc.

This is either a victim of Russian propaganda, or an agent of Russian propaganda.

As to the presented ideas in the talk - as someone who knows Russia well, speaks Russian, has Russian family, he’s spot on - but no Russian will ever agree, because that is part of their complex.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by T-A »

octoberfranklin wrote: post #43
Bronze_Colossus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States do not have the ability to degrade or deny a gps signal based on location unless that particular location has a physical GPS jammer. I don't see what the US would gain from disrupting civilian airtraffic navigation. Just stop with your "either is a likely cause here"-spiel.

In a major departure from previous GPS designs, the M-code is intended to be broadcast from a high-gain directional antenna, in addition to a wide angle (full Earth) antenna. The directional antenna's signal, termed a spot beam, is intended to be aimed at a specific region (i.e., several hundred kilometers in diameter) and increase the local signal strength by 20 dB (10× voltage field strength, 100× power). A side ef…

That's an ability to improve service for users of M-code receivers, which AFAIK are only available to the military (and it's new technology, so I'd expect it to be unsupported even by most military receivers currently in use).

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by heavenlyblue »

verisimi wrote: post #36
rich_sasha wrote: post #2

The clear suggestion is that it is Russia doing it. Other than as an f-u, I don’t understand why they would though. If I have an effective weapon (GPS spoofer), surely I don’t want to alert the enemy to it, lest they develop defences. So eg say NATO were overreliant on GPS, incidents of spoofing like this will cause them to rethink and reduce that reliance, or harden the system.

In all honesty, we don't know anything about anything. Did the jamming really happen, did Russia do it, etc? There are in fact reasons why anti-Russian countries would undertake this themselves, or even just make up the story. The reasons being that it drums up support for their cause, draws lines that people have to be on one side or another, etc. Ultimately, this is an epistemological question - what do we know? An…

I am sorry but this is exactly the same argument that a lot of Russian population uses.

Yes, we may not know everything, but we are more informed than the Russian/Chinese population in general.

Re: Finnish govt agency warns of unusual aircraft GPS interference

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Post by raverbashing »

labster wrote: post #19
jimbob45 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This must be how the allies felt in 1939 wondering what Germany’s master plan could possibly have been. Of course, they couldn’t have foreseen Hitler being a bumbling buffoon all along.

Yeah, but Hitler had the Wehrmacht and all the competence there. Putin only has… whoever is responsible for that megaconvoy stalled for a week, in uncontrolled airspace.

It's all tactics but no strategy

Blowing up stuff is certainly bad, but their lack of planning met considerable resistance

Not to mention the strict top-down delegation and low morale.

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