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Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#141
> Hopefully WFH gains acceptance and becomes normalized

Would you expect this to continue being the new normal?

From what I've seen in the US, it seems big companies are eager to have people back in offices, and the NYC mayor really want people to come back, because coffee shops suffer.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…

There are many people who will die from many common diseases that are communicable, including the standard flu. This argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny. At risk people (the vast, vast minority) need to self quarantine instead of having the unrealistic expectation that the everyone should instead of them.

I see you are planning to spend your golden years sheltering entirely indoors with others of the vast vast minority? ie. the over 60-70's.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

Not true, Pfizer was used in the initial vaccination rollout too.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#144

"China is Entering Lockdown" seems like a massive overstatement. A couple of Tier 1 cities != China.

Thank you! As someone considering flying my family out of China soon I had a rush of fear reading that headline!

If you want them to avoid lockdown you better fly them out now and not in two weeks.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#145

I greatly empathize with anyone who lost a loved one to Covid over the past two years. Sorry for your loss. However, I do think that the reason we took lockdowns as a solution is because China did the same in the first place. But I don't think we should do that again. I will speak for myself, and I have no epic reason, I am just tired of it all.

My recollection is slightly different. The west did not consider lockdowns a viable strategy until the news started to come out of Italy of the scale of the dead. China might have used lockdowns first but it was Italy that changed minds on their acceptability for western countries.

True. Unbelievable but accurate.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#146

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

NZ doesn't look like it has "ruled out lockdowns", considering your current "restrictions" (politically rebranded lockdowns, because lockdowns are extremely unpopular) are far more strict than most US states have ever had. [1]

It includes insane requirements like requiring face masks in certain outdoor areas.

Forcing children to wear masks in schools at 96% vaccinated sounds insane when vaccinations were pitched as a way to end lockdowns permanently. Did your government just bait and switch the population by keeping "restrictions" after a huge majority of the population got vaccinated? Sure seems like it.

[1] https://covid19.govt.nz/traffic-lights/life-at-red/

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#147
Over time, the effects of covid19 on heart, brain, lungs, vascular system, sensory system, kidneys & more will become better understood.

Until then, any reassurance that massive levels of infection are ‘ok’ for society is a gamble—a gamble with unknown long-term costs.

(quote from stanford infectious disease doctor Abraar Karan)

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#149
post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.

For a booster (3rd shot), the UK only uses mRNA vaccines. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccinat... Edit: changed my ambiguous wording

Neither of these points are quite correct - mRNA vaccines were extensively used for both initial vaccinations and boosters in the UK. IIRC the AZ vaccine was quite quickly withdrawn for everyone under 40.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I can say anything I like about Xi Jinping when I'm on HN. HN is blocked in China btw.

So you use a VPN/Tor and trust this connection? Are you sure, the thought of "getting caught" does not influence your opinions? Because I think, it would influence my opinions I would dare to share. But I am ignorant about actual way of life in china, is it common and maybe even somewhat normal for tech people to have this freedom to just connect outside of the great firewall?

Chinese are able to express negative opinions without any retribution (beyond their posts being deleted/moderated). What China doesn't accept is challenges to its power structures. Meaning protests, boycotts, unions, organising, public lobbying. Every large business or voluntary organisation has Party members appointed to ensure they don't interfere with the Party's power or strategy.* Sharing a VPN or negative opinion to one friend is fine, sharing to everybody you know on a stage is not.

* https://madeinchinajournal.com/2021/07/15/will-there-be-a-ci...

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