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In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by tartoran »

smoyer wrote: post #6
kizer wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mall in my town is 75% empty, and frequented mostly by older "mall walkers" such as my father, who does four laps a day. Was still cool when I was in high school (circa 2012). I have no idea how they're still open even after COVID. Dave & Buster's was supposed to open a location there but that fell through.

Ours seems to be staying open because of a planet fitness that took over a large section. Macys, Penney's, Seats and BonTon were the anchor stores. It's likely a casino will take over half the building.

Yikes, a casino? That sounds like a really bad thing for the community. I thought casinos need special permissions to operate and should not be too easily accessible by the “vulnerable”.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by beebmam »

_8j50 wrote: post #9
kizer wrote: post #5

What an epic blunder by Putin which we can only hope leads to some kind of change in Russia.

I agree with the blunder part but only if he ends up failing to control ukraine. So long as he succeeds there, the russian people will lose big time but Putin will do just fine. But if he loses, I don't think he will leave peacefully but he will leave.

Without full extermination of Ukrainians, I'm having a hard time believing Russia will be able to control it.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by tartoran »

_8j50 wrote: post #9
kizer wrote: post #5

What an epic blunder by Putin which we can only hope leads to some kind of change in Russia.

I agree with the blunder part but only if he ends up failing to control ukraine. So long as he succeeds there, the russian people will lose big time but Putin will do just fine. But if he loses, I don't think he will leave peacefully but he will leave.

Putin may as well consolide his power further should anyone express thier disatisfaction with him. Im talking about the power hierarchy he’s sitting atop of, not just the Russian populace who already have some significant percentace of dissatisfaction - the real number is unknown since voting is heavily rigged and manipulated and the electorate is heavily manipulated by obvious propaganda.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by _8j50 »

beebmam wrote: post #12
_8j50 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the blunder part but only if he ends up failing to control ukraine. So long as he succeeds there, the russian people will lose big time but Putin will do just fine. But if he loses, I don't think he will leave peacefully but he will leave.

Without full extermination of Ukrainians, I'm having a hard time believing Russia will be able to control it.

I think the problem is morale for russia. If they have it, they can annex ukraine like the USSR days. Chechnya fought very hard like ukraine.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

Well, we're about to find out whether or not McDonald's Peace Theory[1] is true or not.

> In Thomas L. Friedman's 1999 book The Lexus and the Olive Tree,[56] the following statement was presented: "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's". He supported his belief, as a theory, by stating that when a country has reached an economic development where it has a middle class strong enough to support a McDonald's network, it would become a "McDonald's country", and will not be interested in fighting wars anymore.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_peace

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by tartoran »

beebmam wrote: post #12
_8j50 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the blunder part but only if he ends up failing to control ukraine. So long as he succeeds there, the russian people will lose big time but Putin will do just fine. But if he loses, I don't think he will leave peacefully but he will leave.

Without full extermination of Ukrainians, I'm having a hard time believing Russia will be able to control it.

They may pound the poor Ukrainians for months to come to some sort of despair and depression if the war continues that long but I agree that they’ll never fully control the Ukrainians without full destruction. The built up resentiment is hard to dissipate especially now after the war started.

I hope either that the Russians withdraw without a very bruised ego so they leave poor Ukrainians alone to rebuild their country or that they simply collapse altogether and start afresh without Putin. Would like to live to see Putin condemned and perhaps imprisoned or executed by his own people, that would completely vindicate the Russian people in my eyes but I very much doubt that.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by sevensor »

smoyer wrote: post #2

"Has become a mall society" - And the US has spent the last 30 years abandoning or malls. When I was a teenager it was definitely the place to hang out on weekends!

Last time I was in the mall in my town, they'd opened a place where you could go _Office Space_ on old electronics in a former storefront. The anchor stores have gone, of course.

Re: In Moscow, McDonald's packs up, radio falls silent and the brain drain begins

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Post by remh »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #15

Well, we're about to find out whether or not McDonald's Peace Theory[1] is true or not. > In Thomas L. Friedman's 1999 book The Lexus and the Olive Tree,[56] the following statement was presented: "No two countries that both had McDonald's had fought a war against each other since each got its McDonald's". He supported his belief, as a theory, by stating that when a country has reached an economic development where i…

From the top of my head there was a counter example in the 2006 war between Lebanon and Israel.
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