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Re: A short conversation with a bank

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> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought Wow, he's right. The item name no longer appears on emailed receipts I receive from Amazon as of about late 2019 or early 2020. I can't think of a plausible explanation for this change other than preventing Google from pilfering your detailed purchase his…

Maybe this is a U.S. thing or I don’t understand what you mean by ‘receipt’ but in the U.K. I get an ‘order confirmation’ which contains the things I ordered as well as various delivery updates.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me -- your yearly deductible is $10,000? Here I thought €385 was a lot...

You probably pay way more in taxes. If I was given a choice between (1) an additional 20% income tax and free healthcare, or (2) crazy $10k/year out of pocket maximum, I'll choose 2 without a blink.

At the risk of turning this into a political debate -- yes, you pay more taxes if you earn more, and less taxes if you earn less.

That's how a society is supposed to work: you don't leave people to suffer because they aren't rich.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#173

> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought Wow, he's right. The item name no longer appears on emailed receipts I receive from Amazon as of about late 2019 or early 2020. I can't think of a plausible explanation for this change other than preventing Google from pilfering your detailed purchase his…

This also enables Amazon to claim you purchased a different item than you did, or charge a different price. The only way to obtain documentation of a purchase is to take a screenshot of every transaction. I bought some lightbulbs from Amazon recently. I am quite sure I purchased some 7-8 watt LED candle bulbs. I received a package of 50 watt incandescents, which was definitely not what I wanted. I went to my Amazon a…

I had a very similar thing happen to me. I bought some AirPod Pros on sale and received normal AirPods and the Amazon order history indicated I ordered them when I know for a fact I had not. I was able to exchange them and all, but it was super frustrating.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#174

> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought Wow, he's right. The item name no longer appears on emailed receipts I receive from Amazon as of about late 2019 or early 2020. I can't think of a plausible explanation for this change other than preventing Google from pilfering your detailed purchase his…

> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought Anyone have a factual source that confirms that gmail is mining receipt data for advertising? One refutation https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/google-gmail-purchases-priv... said in 2019 that Google’s Purchase’s page said “Google won't sell the [Purchases]…

You seem to be equating “mining” with “selling to third parties”, I don’t think it’s the common use (I understand it as “gathering data”).

Also there’s many ways to exploit the purchase data without ever selling it outside the company, including using it in aggregate for ad targeting without exposing specifics to the ad buyer.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#175

> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought Wow, he's right. The item name no longer appears on emailed receipts I receive from Amazon as of about late 2019 or early 2020. I can't think of a plausible explanation for this change other than preventing Google from pilfering your detailed purchase his…

This also enables Amazon to claim you purchased a different item than you did, or charge a different price. The only way to obtain documentation of a purchase is to take a screenshot of every transaction. I bought some lightbulbs from Amazon recently. I am quite sure I purchased some 7-8 watt LED candle bulbs. I received a package of 50 watt incandescents, which was definitely not what I wanted. I went to my Amazon a…

You probably unintentionally got caught in a review whitewashing scheme, where a well-rated product gets renamed and its specification and pictures updated to an entirely unrelated (or in your case, somewhat related) product so the seller doesn't have to start from 0 reputation.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

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post #93

Not directly related to the title, but further in the article: > newly minted MBA ex-consultant who’s just started working at Dropbox as a product manager: and here is my presentation about why it is imperative for us to expand from file synchronization and, for some reason, password management, into financial service integration through our automated financial information archival tool, and then ultimately into fina…

Well, I suppose the devil's advocate argument is once you get to this stage (publicly traded company), the company's priority is no longer just "do things to get traction", but also "do things to support share price". You could argue the ex consultant MBA type product manager is better suited to solve a problem that institutional investors run by ex finance MBA types have.

That's exactly the problem - that's why things are so broken as per the article.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#178

Disclaimer: I work in a bank and have worked closely with the customer support team. Here's the thing: retail banking margin is actually quite low and customer support is expensive. If you are someone who routinely calls your bank then your long-term value (LTV) is going to take a huge hit, so, of course banks want to keep everything as "low-touch" as possible. A small anecdote: there were plenty of elderly people wh…

While I appreciate this argument, I feel it's disingenuous.

The reason is that this problem doesn't just apply to banks, it applies to every goddamn service I try to make contact with these days.

The systems are setup to waste a users time so only by showing a large commitment of time and emotional frustration can you get to talk to a human.

The net result is massive waste of everyone's time. It's a race to the bottom situation, and it's a societal problem, companies do it to compete.

But if your competition didn't do this hostile user gaslighting, then you wouldn't either. Or if instead of wasting 30 minutes average time before talking to someone with agency, the time was reduced to 5, or even 10 minutes.

I think the answer is regulation, that the mean or median average for time to speak to a live human should be no more than x (I propose 10 minutes), combined with an ombusdman to report companies that hide behind automated systems instead of do support, and if the average response time goes over allowed limit, or more than y percent of users report a company for not having a way to address their actual problem, then that company should pay a financial penalty, to it's users pro-rata. If the penalty is balanced, this way companies would actually share the cost of the people's time they are wasting.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

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> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought because Amazon are terrified you’ll use that data to profile me and sell more ads I'm curious if Amazon uses different formatting depending on the recipient's email address? I use Fastmail and checked my order confirmation (not sure if that is the same as…

This one annoys me a lot, and I blame Amazon. They seem to think that my purchase data is a monopoly for them to sell me ads on. And to be anti competitive, they have completely screwed up the UX for customers. "Hi, it's Amazon. We have shipped your order #udid. But you need to sign in to the app on your phone, and click through multiple screens, to figure out which item it is. Because you know, it's a $35 billion ad…

>What happened to Amazon always being consumer first?

It worked

Re: A short conversation with a bank

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post #92

> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought because Amazon are terrified you’ll use that data to profile me and sell more ads I'm curious if Amazon uses different formatting depending on the recipient's email address? I use Fastmail and checked my order confirmation (not sure if that is the same as…

This one annoys me a lot, and I blame Amazon. They seem to think that my purchase data is a monopoly for them to sell me ads on. And to be anti competitive, they have completely screwed up the UX for customers. "Hi, it's Amazon. We have shipped your order #udid. But you need to sign in to the app on your phone, and click through multiple screens, to figure out which item it is. Because you know, it's a $35 billion ad…

Let me FTFY

Amazon are 'obsessed' with (their milking of) the customer (and anyone else they can).

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