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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by complexmango »

breakyerself wrote: post #639
OOPMan wrote: post #594

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone born and raised in South Africa that lived there until the end of 2019 I really wish people would stop comparing Israel to the old government in ZA. The Israeli government definitely does a ton of problematic stuff that is objectively awful but it's just not quite the same as what the old government in my country used to do. I am sure I will get downvoted for this, but the situation with Israel/Palestine i…

Apartheid doesn't mean "Identical to South Africa". Apartheid is a crime against human rights defined as such: Apartheid refers to the implementation and maintenance of a system of legalized racial segregation in which one racial group is deprived of political and civil rights. Apartheid is a crime against humanity punishable under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. ACADEMIC TOPICS. legal history.

How would you explain affirmative action on the basis of race today, in this context?

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Post by hutzlibu »

this2shallPass wrote: post #692
hutzlibu wrote: post #666

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Ok, it seems I have been wrong about this as a general statement and liberal (or even most?) jew movements indeed consider it possible. Last time I checked - it seems I read a viewpoint from a rather orthodox rabbi (but his article was the first one, that showed up in google at that time, now I cannot find it anymore), which clearly stated, this is not possible at all, with no exception. The only way, would be to rec…

Maybe that is the case with some small, insular sects of Orthodox Jews? Some of the groups among those often referred to as the "Ultra Orthodox" - I don't know. It is not aligned with the vast majority of Jewish views about conversion to Judaism. In general, conversion is possible. As far as I can tell there are even clearly-enough defined requirements. Jews are not supposed to treat converts any differently than non…

I really cannot find that article anymore, but yes, it seems it must have come from an ultra ultra orthodox section and who knows why it ranked number 1 on google at that time (some years ago), fooling me. Because apparently yes, you absolutely can convert to judaism. It just isn't easy, like it is with other religions.

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Post by bradlys »

chmod600 wrote: post #691
skrtskrt wrote: post #622

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they mean the west has systematically overthrown governments, strip-mined the natural resources, drawn arbitrary country borders, funded extremist groups, bombed civilian populations, gone to war because the extremists they originally backed got too strong, etc etc in the Middle East for generations then if all else fails, they do sanctions, which of course NEVER affect the ruling class, they merely provide the ruler…

In the comment to which I replied, "them" refers to Jewish Israelis ("Everyone else in the region hates them"). Jewish Israelis are Middle Eastern, not part of the West.

My "them" was actually a reference to the west. Jewish Israelis is a fair argument too. Both are true.

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Post by solarhoma »

tablespoon wrote: post #264
solarhoma wrote: post #135

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If Israel was an ally they would be helping to supply weapons and armor to Ukraine. Instead they will not supply anything more than medication. The US gives Israel plenty of military $ for them to share in times of need. As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Rus…

> As a strictly emotional thought, this makes me feel Israel is a country to cozy up to the strongest nation at the time. If the US falls from grace Israel will have no problem ‘switching’ sides to Russia. That's in line with Israel's priorities, which first and foremost is its own survival. At lot people kind of lazily expect Israel to act like your typical invincible Western state, but it's pretty vulnerable. It's…

I think part of the ‘invincibility’ thought comes from them having a nuclear arsenal on top of the iron dome.

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Post by mahkeiro »

ipaddr wrote: post #652
mahkeiro wrote: post #625

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No it doesn't apply to Switzerland where 32% of the population are foreigner…

Temporary workers.

No 90% of foreign population are holding either a B or C permit that allow them to stay as long as they want.

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Post by [deleted] »

Shuang1 wrote: post #600
cs702 wrote: post #190

Here's an interesting exercise: 1. Substitute "Israel's Knesset" for ANY other legislative body anywhere. 2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong. 3. See if you like how it feels: "[Legislative body] passes law barring spouses who are [like you] from becoming citizens."

Sure I'll try China bans non-Chinese people from becoming citizens Doesn't feel all that bad to me, considering this is the way it already works and I had no interest in becoming a citizen there.

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Post by ec109685 »

StreamBright wrote: post #486
cs702 wrote: post #190

Here's an interesting exercise: 1. Substitute "Israel's Knesset" for ANY other legislative body anywhere. 2. Substitute "Palestinian" for ANY other nationality, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, or other adjective describing a group to which YOU belong. 3. See if you like how it feels: "[Legislative body] passes law barring spouses who are [like you] from becoming citizens."

I am fine with that. Actually most of my life I have lived by these restrictions. I am not saying this is ok, but we should stop pretending this is not everywhere. For example US immigration system. Based on your nationality there are restrictions. As non-US immigrant my wife could not work in the US based on our nationality.

Once you are a citizen of the US though, regardless of where your spouse is from, there is equal opportunity to become a citizen.

That is different than Israel since Jewish spouses can become citizens while non-Jewish spouses can’t, even if the person they are married to is an Israel citizen.

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Post by ausbah »

sgregnt wrote: post #683
ausbah wrote: post #81

>Some Knesset members said it was intended to prevent a gradual right of return for Palestinian refugees who were driven from their homes or fled during the 1948 war surrounding Israel's creation absolutely disgusting

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why, the creation of Israel led to the expulsion of thousands of established Palestinians

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Post by spopejoy »

thatsmyfribble wrote: post #259

First of all, this isn't a ban on Israeli-Palestinian marriage, this is a restriction on the ability to gain citizenship through those marriages. I don't agree with that, but I do think it's important to clarify. Regarding comments I'm seeing here saying Israel is an apartheid state or that Israel is racist or that Israel the concept of a Jewish state is disgusting: Israel is the size of New Jersey. It is the only st…

> Israel was not built by its founders to be a melting pot, it was built as a home for displaced Jewish people.

By forcibly displacing 100,000s of other people.

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Post by spopejoy »

SmirthsDAC wrote: post #498
kif wrote: post #19

It's certainly interesting how an oppressed people became the oppressor.

An oppressed people - the Jews, have become oppressors? This comment doesn't even attempt to draw the distinction between the government of Israel and the Jewish people. How would it feel if we said “The formerly oppressed Hispanic people have become the oppressors”, because one country in Central or South America has an oppressive government at some point? There isn’t even recognition that the Israeli legislature mi…

Israel's government and it's supporters in the US and elsewhere ceaselessly push this equivalence between Judaism and Israel, with the clear intent to equate criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.
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