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How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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>Good question! Yes, it is, so let's stick with it: Was the winning candidate a white supremacist?

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I just like straightforward linear conversations in which questions are asked and answered.

I don't like endless come-ons in which questions are responded to (not answered!) with more questions and a sentence fragment that seems designed as a push to move past the question.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Cable news is a waste. Anything worth hearing about will be written up by a newspaper. And with newspapers now having websites, cable news doesn't even have an immediacy advantage. The only thing cable news can do better than newspapers is show you live footage of something happening, but that's good for little but gawking at. And if you really must get CNN's take on things, https://lite.cnn.com/en is much better tha…

Local news isn't much better. Most of the outlets are owned by the same people.

Local news at least has one advantage over cable news; it only runs for a few hours a day so they aren't trying to stretch everything out to fill a full 24/7 schedule. But even so it's still crap, I don't watch local TV news either. The only TV news I've ever considered to be worth a damn was News Hour with Jim Lehrer, which was only an hour a day. Even in that case, I might just have rose-tinted glasses on.

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The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven. Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you te…

The entire Trump-Russia collusion story was invented by the Clinton campaign and fed to leftists eager to hear anything that explained how Trump could have been elected. The fact is that Trump appealed to enough people in enough states to win in 2016, but instead of believing that, leftists jumped on this collusion nonsense. That story is literally the biggest conspiracy theory of all time, and it sounds like you bou…

> Your bias may prevent you from seeing it

I’m just going to feed this quote back to you. I doubt we will be able to reconcile our respective understandings of this in short order because they’re so far apart, but suffice it to say I believe yours is much further from reality than mine.

To be clear, I never said I believed Trump took actual orders from Putin directly. Did he try to illegally cooperate with and got manipulated by him and his cronies? Yes, that I believe, even though I haven’t seen enough evidence to put it beyond a reasonable doubt (potentially because of the aforementioned obstruction of justice).

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Some of the opinion pieces on CNN and MSNBC (Maddow etc) are basically left-wing version of Qanon. Whilst FoxNews gets rightly criticized when voicing such nonsense, the more liberal channels get a free pass. It’s wildly divisive and has severely damaged society over the last 5 years. But CNN and MSNBC got their ad-clicks, which I guess is the important thing.

I would love to see examples of anything on CNN or MSNBC that approaches QAnon-levels of derangement.

Have you watched either in the last 5 years?

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If you can buy elected US president to advertise your canned food from the Oval Office, why wouldn't you be able to buy ads, presenters and silent control over media?

Because the conceit is, that only idiots believe propaganda, and of course, I'm no idiot. Unfortunately the reverse it true - that the smarter someone believes they are, the more they buy into some crazy theory, and then dig their heels in. Only people that know how smart they aren't can be humble enough to question everything, especially a narrative that the media has formed, and believe the truth contained within.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Really disappointing what CNN became under Zucker. I'm of the generation where CNN was our window to the world - pre-mass Internet connectivity, if you had cable, or were passing through an airport, or in a hotel with it, you had access to a whole world of people and places that could plug into. Really shameful what they did - from turning into a political mouthpiece, to finding new ways to heighten the temperature i…

Zucker's success in the media/entertainment industry is baffling because his reputation is basically as a wrecking ball. I have not seen any praise of his stewardship of NBC which made his selection as the person to run CNN bewildering. One can only speculate about how he landed the position, but none of it seems to be based on observable successes at what he was paid to do.

Losing 90% of your audience is only a success for someone who is selling the dimmest bulbs of society a cold plate of sloppy propaganda.

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And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

Given that the current crisis has roots in Crimea, which happened under the previous president's watch, the reports of Russian influence are more believable than ever. Given that the president was bought and sold to hawk canned goods from the White House, the purchase price by the Russians must have been cheap!

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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The Russia investigation coverage changed my view on the limits and possibilities of propaganda. Have never been more cynical of humanity, or rather, people running the show commonly have the same abilities as the school teacher at the local public school

> The Russia investigation coverage changed my view on the limits and possibilities of propaganda.

What strikes me is the gall and brazen dishonesty in American “news” media. Billionaire Russians are “oligarchs” and painted as Russia’s .1% who influence or control the country. And don’t forget about Russia’s “state-run media”, who surely we should never trust.

Meanwhile, America’s media itself is controlled by wealthy private interests - the same ones that influence minds and shape political outcomes. They’ve done immeasurable damage insofar as dividing this country, turning even families against one another over politics.

What’s especially striking is how much American media interests want to glue eyeballs and sell the Ukraine conflict. It’s no doubt a horrible, horrible disaster for the Ukrainian people. But the powers that be have decided to go next level in humanizing the conflict. We’re shown footage of blue eyes white people escaping bombs, often carrying their cats and dogs. We’re even given names of individuals murdered by the Russian bombing.

Where has all this coverage been in all of Americas own war, often bombing brown people everywhere from the Middle East to South East Asia?

The propaganda is on overdrive. Yesterday, I saw a CNN segment where they kept parroting Biden’s pitch that Putin is responsible for Americas inflation.

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