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Francis Fukuyama: Preparing for Defeat

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Re: Francis Fukuyama: Preparing for Defeat

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petermcneeley wrote: post #7
phtrivier wrote: post #2

Since we can just make fuzzy predictions and not face any consequence, let's go ! 1. The Russian military (aided if needed by mercenaries) is bringing entire cities to the ground in the south of Ukraine, and just buying times before leveling substantial parts of Kyiv. Source : the news. Painting that as a "military defeat in the making for Russia" is just insane propaganda. 2. There is a perfectly "acceptable" diplom…

#5 Fukuyama is almost certainly wrong or at best he is too early with his prediction "What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the passing of a particular period of postwar history, but the end of history as such: that is, the end point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki…

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phtrivier wrote: post #2

Since we can just make fuzzy predictions and not face any consequence, let's go ! 1. The Russian military (aided if needed by mercenaries) is bringing entire cities to the ground in the south of Ukraine, and just buying times before leveling substantial parts of Kyiv. Source : the news. Painting that as a "military defeat in the making for Russia" is just insane propaganda. 2. There is a perfectly "acceptable" diplom…

> The compromise is "acceptable" by everyone except Ukrainian government, of course

It's acceptable to everyone except the people actually hurt by it. A common problem.

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Post by c-smile »

The Great Delusion (2020) by prof. John Mearsheimer: https://youtu.be/nZVIaXFN2lU

That if someone really wants to understand where we are with all those Libya, Syria, Iraq, ... Ukraine.

And how and when this one really started: https://youtu.be/ppD_bhWODDc

As of Francis Fukuyama predictions...

I am Ukrainian by myself. With family spread over West Ukraine and Russia East. Note: Russia is the second country after Ukraine where Ukrainians leave.

There is a concept of "for the Motherland" and there are many as Russians as Ukrainians who still consider joined Russia and Ukraine as a common motherland and those predictions are completely out of touch in this respect.

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Post by stephc_int13 »

This is looking like wishful thinking or propaganda.

I love this story and I want it to be true.

But I am not sure we know that much.

From what we can gather, not everything is going perfectly for Putin, but it could take years or even decades before we can clearly see who are the winners.

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Post by bob66 »

phtrivier wrote: post #2

Since we can just make fuzzy predictions and not face any consequence, let's go ! 1. The Russian military (aided if needed by mercenaries) is bringing entire cities to the ground in the south of Ukraine, and just buying times before leveling substantial parts of Kyiv. Source : the news. Painting that as a "military defeat in the making for Russia" is just insane propaganda. 2. There is a perfectly "acceptable" diplom…

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Post by ch4s3 »

srvmshr wrote: post #6

Another counterview has emerged from Meduza, the press group which was 'blocked' in Russia as part of their silencing drive. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/12/has-russia-s-invasio... Apparently, according to Meduza we are only seeing the bright side of things - the news we want to hear. The battlefront has several other shock surprises if you look at the Ukrainian losses. It seems bleeding heavily on both sides…

Even supporting the Ukrainian side, it’s clear that they’re taking heavy losses and doubly so on the civilian side. What I think people are correctly surprised by is how well the Ukrainians are utilizing NATO training an arms, and how badly the Russians are performing.

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Post by ilamont »

This is at least true in the north; the Russians are doing better in the south, but those positions would be hard to maintain if the north collapses.

I'm puzzled why more attention isn't focused on Russia's progress in the south and naval superiority. They clearly want Ukraine and the world to accept its annexation of Crimea and bolstering the zone around it is shaping up to be a point of negotiation, as they made clear in one of Putin's demands about a week ago (that was rejected).

Regarding Taiwan restoring conscription: They never got rid of it, but basically reduced it from 2 years to 4 months with lots of exceptions. It's amazing they don't follow the model of Israel and South Korea, considering the PRC menace, constant posturing, and aggressive territory grabs in the South China Sea.

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Post by rayiner »

phtrivier wrote: post #2

Since we can just make fuzzy predictions and not face any consequence, let's go ! 1. The Russian military (aided if needed by mercenaries) is bringing entire cities to the ground in the south of Ukraine, and just buying times before leveling substantial parts of Kyiv. Source : the news. Painting that as a "military defeat in the making for Russia" is just insane propaganda. 2. There is a perfectly "acceptable" diplom…

The populists win the French election no matter who wins. The left has collapsed completely, and Macron is sounding pretty right wing attacking wokeness and defending western values versus Islam.

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Post by jonahbenton »

c-smile wrote: post #14

The Great Delusion (2020) by prof. John Mearsheimer: https://youtu.be/nZVIaXFN2lU That if someone really wants to understand where we are with all those Libya, Syria, Iraq, ... Ukraine. And how and when this one really started: https://youtu.be/ppD_bhWODDc As of Francis Fukuyama predictions... I am Ukrainian by myself. With family spread over West Ukraine and Russia East. Note: Russia is the second country after Ukra…

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