It's a sad day. I had hopes from DDG, but with this, they join the same train as the rest. There will be no unbias internet with this mindset.
DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”
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#832I guess this did not age well: “[W]hen you search, you expect unbiased results, but that’s not what you get on Google,” @matthewde_silva quotes @yegg https://twitter.com/DuckDuckGo/status/1114524914227253249 Also, they probably do not realize that they will have to start with Twitter if to be consistent.
Exactly. This people never realize this:
1. Who will decide what is truth or not. 2. Who will be arbiter
With this decision, they join the club with Google and the rest.
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#833Earlier quoted context omitted.
War crimes tribunals only happen for the loser after they submit to terms.
What makes you believe Russia will not end up losing?
Russia has far more resources than Ukraine, which has no interest in chasing the Russian army into Moscow and getting them to surrender anyway.
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#834I like DDG, but honestly, this is a really bad move. It is already harder for me to find certain sites in the rankings. I mean look at this, even searching for "drudge" doesn't even bring up a link to Drudge Report: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drudge&t=h_&ia=web I liked DDG because it respected the user. Limiting what I can see in order to make sure I don't see "Russian disinformation" seems to me like the exact opposi…
Yep, search is getting more and more broken... I remember all the "trump vs reporters" etc. compilations, that were funny... now searching for any of those terms (basically anything at all involving trump, or now russia) ignores almost everything in the searchbox, ignores all the small creators, just picks out the one keyword (trump/russia/putin/...), and show the CNN/MSNBC/... news related to that one term, and unre…
But credibility is also obviously a quality issue for information based search. You give people relevancy without credibility and that's just what we have today with the state of SEO. We might say that Amazon has such an issue with the lack of curation.
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#835Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you not experienced an avalanche of friends and family members sending you sketchy videos of dubious provenance? The past two years have illustrated to me that the majority of people are just not equipped to distinguish good and bad sources of information, particularly on the internet. That doesn't make them stupid. It just means they are deficient in the particular skill of distinguishing disinformation campaig…
What I understood from the parent's comment is not that they were equating curating a website and slavery, but more so equating the tactics used. There was more than likely a better example to be used so it couldn't be cherry picked, but their point still makes a lot of sense to me regardless. Full disclosure. I grew up in the days when the internet was the wild west and absolutely loved it, so I may be a bit biased…
Not the tactics used, but the mindset and thinking. They stupid sheep, us good smart folk must herd them.
Re: DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disinformation”
#836I guess I will try out brave search for now. I don't want to deal with tech companies deciding what information is accurate or not.
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#837Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, for individuals, it's worse. For accurate information, it's probably a wash, or a close call. There are so many other ways of biasing information streams than overt oppression.
This is nonsense. If the opposing viewpoint can’t even be put across due to the threat of jail time, you only get one. Whatever manipulation you feel occurs in other systems, outright suppression of dissenting opinion is worse, for the individual and for accuracy of information.
Such as social media banning the Hunter Biden story just before the election and suspending the New York Post's account?
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#838Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It is justifiable to critique them in whether or not they've done a good job of that, If the announcement said "all disinformation about Russian-Ukraine conflict" it would grant benefit of a doubt about their execution as you point out. But it says "Russian disinformation" thus they are making it about politics (something a search engine should not be doing), not fighting disinformation (something a search engine s…
> But it says "Russian disinformation" thus they are making it about politics I don't follow. What specifically do you mean when you say the word "politics"? Do you mean that targeting a specific source of misinformation is political? That's literally all manual interventions, all of them target specific sources. > However in this case, they are inferring a certain political view of the conflict, regardless of what y…
> whether it has biases that prevent it from reacting as strongly to, just as an example, US propaganda about refugees or armed conflicts that it has initiated.
> When we talk about misinformation, it is not misinformation to say that Russia unjustly invaded Ukraine.
Wording is a funny thing.
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#839Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can almost assure you it wasn't. I'm guessing the top result is > drudge.com Which is not the Drudge Report, but the Drudge "Retort". The Drudge Report, seems to be completely removed, obviously intentionally. If I'm wrong, let me know. But I'd be very surprised if you're getting the Drudge Report at the top hit, and everybody else isn't getting it on the first multiple pages.
Here it is in my browser (which admittedly is a somewhat "hardened" privacy-wise version of FF). https://imgur.com/a/KJL03NW
Wow. Showing up for me now too. I sent feedback to DDG. I also wonder if they saw this thread. Seems unlikely that it just happened to show back up a day after it got attention here.
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#840Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but Al Jazeera is more like the BBC than it is like RT. I don't see anyone making a quality-based argument to downrank it, and I would disagree with them if they did.
Aljazeera is literally the Qatari state media. That means they are the media outlet of a slave state controlled by an absolute monarchy . Tell anyone in the Arabic world that aljazeera is neutral or BBC like and you will get laughed at. Even RT is probably not on as short of an editorial leash than al jazeera. Your comment is actually an amazing example of why we should absolutely avoid media censorship (like the EU…
Also worth noting that Al Jazeera's coverage in English and Arabic are obviously different.