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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Laws that make it illegal to sleep under bridges apply to everybody, not just the homeless. Does that mean a law against sleeping under bridges is not targeting the homeless?

The law also affects Israeli Jews, Christians, atheists, etc that want to marry Palestinians.

and palestinian is considered an ethnicity in israel. as opposed to "people coming from the country Palestine". so it's an openly racist law

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An oppressed people - the Jews, have become oppressors? This comment doesn't even attempt to draw the distinction between the government of Israel and the Jewish people. How would it feel if we said “The formerly oppressed Hispanic people have become the oppressors”, because one country in Central or South America has an oppressive government at some point? There isn’t even recognition that the Israeli legislature mi…

What are you on about? Do you just randomly smash the keyboard?

he's mad (rightly so) because jews are being conflated with israel. but he should be mad against israel and influent jews around the world for pushing this skewed view of jewishness

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Did you also blame white people after Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people? Or when Stephen Paddock killed 61 people?

What part of Israel are they from?

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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From your source: "Israeli politicians say the law is both an essential security measure to prevent Palestinian terror attacks and a means of preserving a Jewish majority in Israel." Maybe it's more of an immigration policy than a security policy?

Emigrating into your own country. That's a new one. Opinions here are laughable.

That's a disingenuous way of putting it.

The Palestinians who stayed in Israel during the Israeli war of independence became citizens. The ones who left, did not. They were also not part of Israel for almost 30 years, they were refugees of other countries, who then attacked Israel.

They have never been Israeli citizens, and were not even in Israel for many years before they became Israeli refugees.

(Whether they should have been granted citizenship when the lands were annexed as part of the war, or not, is a different question)

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Israel is surrounded by Arab Muslims who outnumber Jews 100:1 and are overtly hostile to Judaism, as prescribed by their religion. I ask honestly, is it really so wrong for a nation to implement laws to preserve its culture, particularly when it's people constitute a tiny fraction of the global population? Or is support of cultural preservation only virtuous when the alternative is labeled "gentrification"?

> and are overtly hostile to Judaism, as prescribed by their religion. What does the Talmud say about the Goyim? >is it really so wrong for a nation to implement laws to preserve its culture, particularly when it's people constitute a tiny fraction of the global population It's ok, natural and healthy for Israel, but not for the rest of the world, where that is nationalism and equates to ideologies of the 1930s.

> It's ok, natural and healthy for Israel, but not for the rest of the world, where that is nationalism and equates to ideologies of the 1930s.

You say that, but that's ridiculous. I can't become a citizen of any other country without that country's explicit permission, and many countries won't allow just anyone to immigrate.

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> favored demographic Right, because the purpose of Israel is to be a Jewish state with a majority Jewish population to protect its Jewish residents from genocides, pogroms, blood libels, and other things that have been done to them for 2 millennia.

The same thing they did to the Palestianians. Weird how white supremacy is suddenly cool with a lot of people when you replace white with "Jew"

Wait, explain to me what we Jews should have done after the holocaust, and after many countries kicked out all their Jews. Doesn't starting a Jewish country make sense? There are dozens of other countries around different groups (whether religious or ethnic), how is it wrong for Jews to want the same thing?

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Not sure what you mean by this. There's not a current, similar situation in the US where the average US citizen feels like they were recently displaced/oppressed/etc by occupiers. That's been the situation in the past with Native Americans, slave populations, the American revolution, etc. I suspect the numbers met that threshold then.

I don’t think this is a good faith answer. .037% of the USA pop is roughly 100,000 people.

It's not a good faith premise since the whole of the USA population isn't in a similar situation currently. If it were, then I would expect at least 100k, yes.

Re: Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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I live in Israel, but I now want to move to HN land. I do have an opinion, but it is not really important here. I just want to say how touched I am to read this thread. Where else can you find such a polite, fact based, open minded discussion of a flammable topic.
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