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A short conversation with a bank

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Re: A short conversation with a bank

#61
Two anecdotal-

I will say simple was a joy to work with, even for things that were old. I would never have closed on my house in time if not for them. Sadly- it seems that since BBVA -> PNC … everything historic for that account is gone.

Unrelated to banks:

Me: I’m calling because I got a notice that you’re cancelling my healthcare due to non payment of my premium?

Healthcare service line: yes. You had a responsibility to pay it and you didn’t so we cancelled it and we can’t change that decision for 12 months.

Me: but I have a confirmation of the payment from your digital pay system, and a bank statement that shows you have taken payments each month for the last several months.

Healthcare service line: I don’t see those on my end. You should have called to verify we received them. Maybe your credit card or checking account was stolen.

Me: but I can login to your website and it has the payment history.

Healthcare service line: hangs up.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#62
> with Gmail, where you were so aggressive about mining receipt data from Amazon that when I get a receipt from Amazon now it doesn’t actually include what I bought

Wow, he's right. The item name no longer appears on emailed receipts I receive from Amazon as of about late 2019 or early 2020. I can't think of a plausible explanation for this change other than preventing Google from pilfering your detailed purchase history. Thank you Amazon, I guess.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#63
post #10

that was beautiful. > bank: sir this conversation is recorded but I blinked my eyes very slowly twice I laughed out loud at that. Edit: Also, I never realized why Amazon stopped putting the name of the thing I purchased on the email receipt. Now it makes sense.

> Now it makes sense.

Can you enlighten me? Why don’t they include that in the email receipt?

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#64
The disappearing statements / transaction history is especially annoying.

A few years ago I had to review transactions for tax purposes, but I couldn't because they only let me go back 12 months. Even now my bank only goes back 3 years, while Amazon still has my order history from 1999.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#65

It's so eldritch. I've found dealing with the healthcare system is similar. Any business that you need more than they need you, this happens. There really should be consumer protections about this but I have no idea how that would even be implemented.

I was just about to comment the same.

I recently needed to make several medical appointments with a large healthcare provider. They had FOUR different online portals to "manage" my appointments and information. Navigating that was the exact same experience as the article, just without an actual person.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#66
My wife wanted to close her US bank account:

Customer: I don't live in the US anymore, how can I close my bank account?

1 week later...

Bank: Sorry for the delay, we were unable to answer your question in time but assume that you have found the answer already and closed the ticket.

Customer: Repeats the question.

Bank: To close an account you need to come in person to one of our branches that are only in a few states in the USA.

She still has the back account.

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#69

The electronic statements are a blessing - just download and keep a copy. Exactly same as with paper ones, but with fewer steps. All systems have their limits, but the current electronic ones are much better than the mortar and paper of yesteryear. I just finished renewing tags for my cars in 5 minutes from the comfort of my home, as compared to 2 hour Tag Office visit 20 years ago. (Happy bday to me!).

> Exactly same as with paper ones, but with fewer steps.

Actually with more steps.

Paper statements:

Bank generates paper statement on appointed day (work/time input by bank)

Bank packages paper statement in envelope and mails it (work/time input by bank)

Postal service delivers paper statement to my mailbox (work/time input by postal service)

I open paper statement (work/time input by me)

I scan paper statement (work/time input by me) (also can be optional if one prefers simply filing paper statements)

Electronic statement PDF's on bank website:

Bank (maybe) sends an email saying "your statement is ready"

I receive the email

I have to now open my password manager (work/time by me)

I have to log into bank website (work/time input by me)

I have to navigate to the "download your statement area" (which was designed to make the process of accessing the electronic statement as obtuse as possible) (work/time input by me)

I have to download the pdf (hopefully one click for me, but still a bit of work/time by me)

I have to rename the downloaded pdf to fit my filing convention (since, at best, it downloads as "statement.pdf" from the bank)

The major time input on my part with paper statements is the "scan" part, all the rest happens without any involvement of time, energy, or remembering it is "time" on my part.

The electronic statement download requires I actively expend time and effort to "go to their website, log in, find the download section, find the statement, and initiate the download".

What I want to see, but no bank offers it, is exactly the same flow as the paper/postal service, but substituting "email" for "postal service" and "pdf" for "paper". I upload a GPG public key, bank does the work of encrypting the pdf using my key and emailing me a copy (which makes "electronic statement" the same as paper, they do the work of remembering it is time and initiating the transmission). Then I save the pdf attachment from the email, decrypt it, and file it (saving the "scan" step from the paper copy flow).

Re: A short conversation with a bank

#70
> you: if I don’t give you a good rating in this survey will you get fired?

> customer service agent: yes

you: if I give negative feedback on the survey will any bank procedures change?

customer service agent: no

/me gives good marks because the agent was friendly, despite having no ability to accomplish things and the effective memory of a goldfish with a ticket system.

This is the way the world ends: not with a bang, but to the sound of hold music.

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