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How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by roenxi »

jacquesm wrote: post #49
roenxi wrote: post #48

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There is an unlikely but uncomfortably high chance that US-Russian relations are about to spill over into an apocalyptic nuclear war and the US government have gone cold-war mode and are attempting to remove Russia from the global economy. What exactly do you think Russia's goals here are? Because it doesn't look like they have been achieved. Or made serious progress in them. Presumably those goals involve survival.

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And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful.

& that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so. Nobody got this worked up about it for decades. It certainly isn't worth risking nukes flying.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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roenxi wrote: post #51
jacquesm wrote: post #49

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And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by roenxi »

jacquesm wrote: post #52
roenxi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

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> Oh, that's allright then. Business as usual, carry on then.

Based on an estimate of the median age in Ukraine (41, [0]), most Ukrainians have been governed from Moscow at some point in their lives. We might be looking at an agressive expansionist power, but we also might not be. The borders of Russia are going in the wrong direction for an aggressive nation. It is a lot less clear cut than every adventure the US has gone on in the Middle East in recent times.

This basically is business as usual. Is this invasion good? No. Is it pretty routine in global politics? Yes. It is a good time for a measured response.

And the ghastly spectre of pervasive Russian disinformation appears to have done zip, zilch, zero & nothing to help them. Probably because it only existed in the minds of misinformation specialists like CNN.

> After all, after Ukraine, the Baltics, not worth nukes flying, right? Then maybe Poland. Czechia, Slowakia, Serbia (who might actually be happy), Croatia, Slovenia. Then maybe Romania and Bulgaria. None of which are worth nukes flying right? Then Germany, because hey, nukes.

Russia couldn't pretend to pull that off. Poland has a GDP within an order of magnitude of Russia's and is a NATO member; they couldn't do it. And Germany would swat them down in a direct fight - Russia would be the underdog in that war. Russia is already struggling enough fighting in Ukraine, let alone trying to take on consecutive wars.

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> and Trump apologists have smoothly moved to Putin apologists instead

A really attractive part of Trump's pitch was that he would try to de-escalate US-Russia relations and keep things civil between the two powers. I don't think he said it but there was faint hope for a wink-wink-maybe-we're-all-against-China approach.

There is a reason you see overlap between people who liked Trump's foreign policy ideas and people who don't want war with Russia. The entire strategic position of aggression against Russia is stupid, a Russia-China alliance would be far too good for both of them (one has resources, one has manufacturing know-how).

[0] https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by busterarm »

tus666 wrote: post #40

Isn't rollingstone part of the same "progressive" cabal? What made them eat their own today?

Eating their own is an intrinsic behavior. It's more like "What made them target CNN?" It looks like assigning responsibility for Trump and the fact that some women were victimized.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by busterarm »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #11
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #2

It's a shame what became of CNN. It used to be my most trusted news. I believed everything they told me. Their credibility allowed them to be carried into very dark territory and they took me with them. Once the cracks started to show through I started looking into other sources and slowly became totally disillusioned. They are a political mouthpiece more than a news organization. They sowed so much division in the c…

I’m just surprised that so many people on HN seem to have cable at all. If you asked me what I thought of any of the news networks on cable, I’d give you a blank stare, they haven’t been relevant to most techies for more than a decade now. The only reason FoxNews is winning the ratings battle is that older (and more conservative) people have been cutting the cord much slower than younger people. The polarization and…

I havent even had a television for 20 years now...

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by jacquesm »

roenxi wrote: post #53
jacquesm wrote: post #52

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> Oh, that's allright then. Business as usual, carry on then. Based on an estimate of the median age in Ukraine (41, [0]), most Ukrainians have been governed from Moscow at some point in their lives. We might be looking at an agressive expansionist power, but we also might not be. The borders of Russia are going in the wrong direction for an aggressive nation. It is a lot less clear cut than every adventure the US ha…

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by mediumsmart »

lelandfe wrote: post #47
PaywallBuster wrote: post #38

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in a way, Fox news is honest news. They were created (and everyone knows) to report from a "point of view" of the right. The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

There is no major left-wing equivalent to the Tucker Carlson original series Fox pushes. I’m not sure I buy that the left-wing media stoops to quite the lows that Fox does. The Patriot Purge series specifically intones that Jan. 6 was a false flag operation from the FBI to institute martial law and arrest Trump supporters - that, from the most watched cable news host in the US. https://nation.foxnews.com/tucker-carls…

sounds harmless compared to Operation Northwoods: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

but probably untrue since it was allowed on mainstream media. Anything that really threatens the narrative will be banned outright or at mission critical times, like this documentary removed from youtube after being available for 6 years:

https://rumble.com/vwxxi8-ukraine-on-fire.html

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by [deleted] »

Kina wrote: post #10
forgingahead wrote: post #3

Really disappointing what CNN became under Zucker. I'm of the generation where CNN was our window to the world - pre-mass Internet connectivity, if you had cable, or were passing through an airport, or in a hotel with it, you had access to a whole world of people and places that could plug into. Really shameful what they did - from turning into a political mouthpiece, to finding new ways to heighten the temperature i…

Zucker's success in the media/entertainment industry is baffling because his reputation is basically as a wrecking ball. I have not seen any praise of his stewardship of NBC which made his selection as the person to run CNN bewildering. One can only speculate about how he landed the position, but none of it seems to be based on observable successes at what he was paid to do.

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by Amezarak »

MrMan wrote: post #31
greatpostman wrote: post #5

The Russia investigation coverage changed my view on the limits and possibilities of propaganda. Have never been more cynical of humanity, or rather, people running the show commonly have the same abilities as the school teacher at the local public school

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What countries do you believe are not buying influence in the US?

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by Cederfjard »

pauldenton wrote: post #43
Cederfjard wrote: post #35

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I would love to see examples of anything on CNN or MSNBC that approaches QAnon-levels of derangement.

Well there's the Russians under every bed paranoia Look how they treated Trump from the start. 2020 was the most secure election in American history. 2016 was stolen by secret Russian collusion, that even a multi year long Mueller probe was unable to find any connections or collusion. You can also find the limits on information through polling. Over half of fox News viewers believe that the US government found WMDs i…

The Mueller investigation did however find evidence of obstruction of justice. There was also undisputably communication between the Trump campaign and the Russians. A reasonable person can still believe that it’s within the realm of possibility that something illegal went down there, although I concede it has not been proven.

Contrast that with what I asked for, claims as deranged as what QAnon put forth. Are you telling me that you think that what you mentioned is on par with stories about a cabal of satanic cannibal pedophiles secretly controlling the entire US government, with Trump being the only one in power fighting back (also in silence, by the way)?

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