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Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by kabes »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #56
blub wrote: post #16

For those that prefer something with buttons, Roland has issued desktop module versions of some of their iconic machines under the name Roland Boutique. The equivalents of the devices they have in this online tool would be the SH-01a, TB-03 and TR-08. E.g: https://www.roland.com/us/products/sh-01a/

Or just buy the cheap Behringer clones which are fairly accurate and full analogue like the originals, unlike the boutiques which are digital. https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0DG6 https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0DTD https://www.behringer.com/product.html?modelCode=P0DG5

Yeah. I've got both the boutiques and Behringers. And if you can live with the behringer ethics and cheap plastic feel, the sound is definitely just as good if not better

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by Roboprog »

thereddaikon wrote: post #39
nobleach wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had been eyeing that Arturia V collection. The cost isn't too bad at all! I had a demo a few years ago and I really only messed with the grand piano and the DX-7. I'd love to do some nice warm pads on a Juno-106!

I can't speak to the accuracy, I only have a few bits of hardware, but V collection sounds really good on its own. As for the DX-7, Dexed is really popular.

If you have an iOS device, KQ Dixie is a pretty good DX7 emulation. It’s an audio unit, so you can load it into a host (“DAW”) and add an effects chain, even though it’s on a mobile device

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by Johanx64 »

mh- wrote: post #60
Johanx64 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not going to get a "natural sound" out of pretty much all of the digital pianos out on the market. Even the pretty pricey ones. What you can do however, is try hooking up Roland FP-30 to a computer and using the computer to generate sounds (so called VST). I'm visiting relatives for a few weeks, and they happen to have FP-30X (same action), the built in sounds are absolutely god horrid (they are so bad I consi…

I don't disagree with you for the low-mid end of the market, but I don't think this question can be answered without a price range, haha. I have a YDP-184 [1] that includes the CFX you mentioned. I actually think the weak point in its sound is the acoustics of my room, coupled with the inboard speaker placement. Then of course there are the Hybrids [2], which I haven't tried myself (and are considerably more than I'm…

I can guarantee you that the sampled Yamaha CFX grand which is in YDP-184 is but a small fraction in size compared to model of Yamaha CFX sampled by Garritan at Abbey Road Studios. And sounds like shit in comparison.

The Garritan CFX full version (with near and far mics) is 132gigs in size, and even if you take only one set of near/far microphones, it would still be ~40-41gigs in size.

Obviously bigger isn't always better, and there's a diminshing returns point... however, digitial piano sample sizes don't come even remotely near it.

I would be surprised... VERY surprised if the sample size in YDP-184 would reach even a single gigabyte.

More realistically, the piano sounds in YDP-184 is in megabytes. It has been like this with digital pianos - with very few exception models - for decades, with little to no progress.

If a digital piano manifacturer doesn't specify sample size in megabytes/gigabytes, it is most likely because the samples are embarrassingly small, short, looped and stretched.

Disklavier you linked is not a hybrid or a digital piano. It's a real acoustic piano with playback system.

The hybrids - Yamaha N-1X Avant Grand, 7k euros, Kawai Novus NV-10S 9k euros - have great piano action, but the sound is still pretty embarrassing for the price you pay for it.

If I had Kawai Novus-10, I would still hook it up to Garritan CFX, because built in sounds in it are pathetic (for the price)

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by elihu »

kzrdude wrote: post #30

I've learned piano using my dear Roland FP-30, but now looking for an upgrade. Probably a kawai or Yamaha with warmer, more natural sound and more high end action. Anyone have recommendations? P515? CA59? Other? Clp 745?

I have a Yamaha MOX-8 that I like for the most part. I find the interface generally overcomplicated and confusing. I think it sounds pretty good as a piano, but there are probably synthesizers out there that do piano better. The weighted keys feel good. I don't know how it compares to the FP-30.

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by tartoran »

tomc1985 wrote: post #50
ben174 wrote: post #38

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Yea those are the expected devices. I think that pretty mimics their botique line which are adorable little synth replicas of the original. They're so cute I had to collect them and have them displayed on shelves in my living room. Damn, I really wish they would have given these away as VSTs instead. I'd love to bring an official Roland 303 software synth into my setup without paying their ridiculous subscription fee…

That's probably why they aren't free VSTs, this is just for tinkering and nostalgic normies. All the artists making music for public distribution knows its faster and easier to do it all in their DAW But! FLStudio has Transistor Bass. I don't know if it's available as a VST but IL has posted comparison videos online and I can't really hear any difference through my studio monitors.

DAW are indeed technically superior but the biggest problem is that they thwart creativity. They’re not good for exploring but they’re excellent for executing once you know what you want to do.

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by tomc1985 »

tartoran wrote: post #65
tomc1985 wrote: post #50

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That's probably why they aren't free VSTs, this is just for tinkering and nostalgic normies. All the artists making music for public distribution knows its faster and easier to do it all in their DAW But! FLStudio has Transistor Bass. I don't know if it's available as a VST but IL has posted comparison videos online and I can't really hear any difference through my studio monitors.

DAW are indeed technically superior but the biggest problem is that they thwart creativity. They’re not good for exploring but they’re excellent for executing once you know what you want to do.

To some. I have always produced music in the box. In fact I can't play an instrument beyond what is needed to input MIDI data into the computer.

If musicians study their software like they study their instruments, they would realize that the two are closer than they think

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by droidist2 »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #54

Reminds rebirth on desktop and audio-something, an app made in Flash. The Flash app in the browser had better performances and stability though. This app panics as soon as one pressed the random button. The Flash app had effects and more powerful synthesizers and it was 15+ years ago.

Audiotool?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulWz9_Oe_oI

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by blub »

ben174 wrote: post #38
heavyarms wrote: post #35

If you inspect the network traffic you can see what the "hidden" additional devices behind the countdowns are. SP404 2022-04-04T12:00:00.000Z TR606 2022-06-06T12:00:00.000Z TR707 2022-07-07T12:00:00.000Z TR909 2022-09-09T12:00:00.000Z

Yea those are the expected devices. I think that pretty mimics their botique line which are adorable little synth replicas of the original. They're so cute I had to collect them and have them displayed on shelves in my living room. Damn, I really wish they would have given these away as VSTs instead. I'd love to bring an official Roland 303 software synth into my setup without paying their ridiculous subscription fee…

They’re charging 150+€ for each of these as VST… giving them away doesn’t seem like a sound business decision.

Re: Roland 50 Studio

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Post by kzrdude »

Johanx64 wrote: post #52
kzrdude wrote: post #30

I've learned piano using my dear Roland FP-30, but now looking for an upgrade. Probably a kawai or Yamaha with warmer, more natural sound and more high end action. Anyone have recommendations? P515? CA59? Other? Clp 745?

You're not going to get a "natural sound" out of pretty much all of the digital pianos out on the market. Even the pretty pricey ones. What you can do however, is try hooking up Roland FP-30 to a computer and using the computer to generate sounds (so called VST). I'm visiting relatives for a few weeks, and they happen to have FP-30X (same action), the built in sounds are absolutely god horrid (they are so bad I consi…

Thanks for your thoughts. Do you have a lot of acoustic piano experience? Is that why you have this taste?

I understand and really will think about your suggestion, but I think I will want to choose something that's easy to just sit down and play at.

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