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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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For the context, ’listing as an extremist organisation’ is just a euphemism for forbidding a government-opposing group of people and harassing them individually with prosecution, while ‘opening a criminal case’ means than the gov found another company who's doing too much of the opposition thing. Both are nothing new here.

(Of course, FB's specific action the FB-Kremlin exchange here are rather nonsensical and even comical, compared to the usual proceedings.)

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Russia also legalized piracy against unfriendly countries, surely this investigation will lead to substantive outcomes!

You might want to try finding sources for that. Other than neighbor HN comments. And differing from ‘a Duma member proposed that’.

Same on the Meta statement which restricted the claim to actual combatants invading a sovereign territory.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Not even close - look up COINTELPRO and how many of the letters that were sent by the discoverers of that information ACTUALLY made it, let alone how few that did make it actually got published. Hint : very few. The media has always had to kowtow to some degree to local authority, and there is always the element of ‘the truth we choose to believe’ (or are being told to believe) being published over harder reality. Th…

COINTELPRO was a thing, yes, but now almost all news is manipulated. Then stuff related to those stories was, big difference. >The media has always had to kowtow to some degree to local authority, Yes, that's what I mean, to what degree? That degree is much greater now than it was in the past, except the one doing the manipulation isn't necessarily the government.

Do you have any first hand experience as a journalist in the 60’s to base that on?

Do you have any links to facts that might support those assertions?

If not, I rest my case?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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People who get on Putin's bad side have a history of ending up with things like polonium and nerve agents inside their bodies, even when living in western countries. Bombing facebook would likely be further than even Russia is willing to go, but I wouldn't put it past them to poison their head of PR or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skri…

I expect that if Russia poisoned Zuckerberg there would be a lot more backlash from the West than in the cases you linked. Maybe even outright war. Otherwise, it would mean the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin, and that sounds worse even than nuclear winter.

"the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin"

he is pretty old by now

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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this is false https://www.kp.ru/daily/27375.5/4557218/

That moment when one refers to fcking KP to prove that something is false. LMAO I hope that you are kidding. Otherwise, you are a joke.

You are claiming as a fact that regular Facebook users will be criminally prosecuted. What is _your_ source? Outside of pointless cussing and insults.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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That is not true. Please try to be careful not to unintentionally spread propaganda. > allowing posts such as "death to the Russian invaders," although it would not allow calls for violence against Russian civilians. There's a big difference between self defense against an aggressive war and calls for genocide. Targeting invaders from a country's armed forces is not the same as targeting that country's civilians or l…

You may use Meta's platforms to call for the death of this specific list of approved people/groups only. Any other calls for death are not allowed, although the approved list may change at Meta's sole discretion at any time.

To be fair, I would have the same policy on my own site.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

> Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries Same can be said about media companies, banks, car manufacturers, luxury brands, fast foods, etc.

And... rightly so? I mean, we know who we want to win here. There's a good side and a bad side. Have we really gone so far down the rabbit hole of "media neutrality" that a unilateral military invasion needs to be protected as... a form of speech, I guess?

No, that's wrong. Russia is wrong. Limiting Russia's ability to invade its neighbors isn't being "biased" in a discussion about different perspectives, it's doing the right thing.

At some point, there's a line drawn at the limit to tolerance. And Russia literally rolled tanks over it.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #231

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People who get on Putin's bad side have a history of ending up with things like polonium and nerve agents inside their bodies, even when living in western countries. Bombing facebook would likely be further than even Russia is willing to go, but I wouldn't put it past them to poison their head of PR or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvine... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Skri…

I expect that if Russia poisoned Zuckerberg there would be a lot more backlash from the West than in the cases you linked. Maybe even outright war. Otherwise, it would mean the entire world should permanently live in fear of Putin, and that sounds worse even than nuclear winter.

Very unlikely that poisoning Zuckerberg would lead to war. A warrant for the arrest of the person who poisoned him, certainly, but not war.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Companies at that scale can easily show different posts in different regions. It requires principles to remain a “natural resource” but it’s probably the most moral position to take if you believe your service helps better humanity (whether or not fb does that is a different discussion).

I am going to remove morality from the discussion temporarily, and instead talk about how practical that is. A post breaks a law in 100 countries, but does not break the law in 20 countries. Should all 100 countries file their own removal process? Should there be an army of reviewers who are knowledgeable about all laws reviewing all posts? What about that confusion that different people from different regions are se…

Okay, what's the alternative? Only following US law? That's just going to end up with the service being blocked in other countries. Follow the strictest law? The you end up having to cave to blasphemy laws in despotic countries.
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