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The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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AS if anybody cared - how it works in Russia: - There are virtually no private schools, every school is public. - There are better schools and worse schools. In a big city there are a few really good ones and a bunch of mediocre ones. - A school have to accept anyone living in a proximity, but it may also accept anyone else. So the good ones set up entry exams. Mediocre ones enroll everybody. - I guess there are some…

The problem with that in America is that allowing entrance to schools based entirely on tests scores results in large numbers of Asians and whites and very few black and Hispanics and you end up with this racial discrimination mess.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

#33

In general, "Better school" means a school with more whites and or Asians. "Bad schools" means a school with more black and Hispanic students.

Have some stats to support this assertion? You've not only got to support the assertion that it is more likely than not that a school with >=51% black and Hispanic students is going to be a "bad school" (which you've failed to define, but I'll take it to mean "underperforming"), but in addition yo'uve also got to prove that a school with >=51% white or Asian students will be a "good" school, or a school that is performing up to some standard. (Which?).

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

#34

AS if anybody cared - how it works in Russia: - There are virtually no private schools, every school is public. - There are better schools and worse schools. In a big city there are a few really good ones and a bunch of mediocre ones. - A school have to accept anyone living in a proximity, but it may also accept anyone else. So the good ones set up entry exams. Mediocre ones enroll everybody. - I guess there are some…

The problem with that in America is that allowing entrance to schools based entirely on tests scores results in large numbers of Asians and whites and very few black and Hispanics and you end up with this racial discrimination mess.

The solution is that you perhaps should be making bad schools less bad, instead of making the awesome schools more shiny and then digging moats around those.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure by your statement if you have children or not. But I just finished enrolling my children in a private school instead of the local public school. I really don't care if they are black or white I want my children to go to a school where the parents value education as much as I do.

I have mixed race children and do whatever it takes to make sure that they are in schools that made up of mostly white, Asian, or Indian (India) students. Black and Hispanic students have shown no signs of valuing education and the schools usually plagued with violence. I'm not alone in this thinking; every single Asian family I know does the same.

>Black and Hispanic students have shown no signs of valuing education and the schools usually plagued with violence.

ALL of them? Almost certainly not. You're just being plain, old fashioned racist. You also sound ignorant and naive to claim to have never met a black or Hispanic student who shows a single sign of valuing education.

Do you live in the Bay Area? If so, take a trip over to San Jose and visit some of the high schools schools there with predominantly white & asian students (there are only a few). They're not garden parties. They're rough schools with gangs and drugs.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have mixed race children and do whatever it takes to make sure that they are in schools that made up of mostly white, Asian, or Indian (India) students. Black and Hispanic students have shown no signs of valuing education and the schools usually plagued with violence. I'm not alone in this thinking; every single Asian family I know does the same.

I don't think you two actually disagree. You want to send your kids to a place where the parents value education, and you're using ethnicity as an easy indirect way of measuring this. A lamentably reasonable strategy.

No, they definitely do. LoveLinux is basing his/her decision on racial bias, the other guy is not.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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The article neglected to provide any rationale whatsoever for the "other side" which may be the triggering the WTFs. I'm not saying the logic is good, but here it is: A proportion of the school's budget comes from property tax. I found a pdf that says it is about 20% of the budget in California [1]. Thus: Expensive neighborhood -> lots of property tax -> rich school So essentially the laws punish freeloaders of educa…

I don't really care about the other side. Why are we putting people in prison over this? Having the law/rule is one thing, I guess, but the punishment is extremely excessive. 10 days in prison, and 3 years of probation? She's lucky she got commuted by the governor. Not everyone will be so.

Lifeboat ethics demand awful solutions like this. If the best school in the region is known to let this slide, it will be besieged by a population it won't have the resources to support. It's almost like tax evasion, only you're required to move before you'll be allowed to pay the tax, and that particular school is not in a position to fix that. The list of applicable laws must have been pretty short if they had to resort to "grand theft", and at that point the penalty was driven by the amount of money at issue, from a law mostly aimed at car thieves.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article neglected to provide any rationale whatsoever for the "other side" which may be the triggering the WTFs. I'm not saying the logic is good, but here it is: A proportion of the school's budget comes from property tax. I found a pdf that says it is about 20% of the budget in California [1]. Thus: Expensive neighborhood -> lots of property tax -> rich school So essentially the laws punish freeloaders of educa…

I don't really care about the other side. Why are we putting people in prison over this? Having the law/rule is one thing, I guess, but the punishment is extremely excessive. 10 days in prison, and 3 years of probation? She's lucky she got commuted by the governor. Not everyone will be so.

Don't forget that as a felony (before the Govenor intervene), she could no longer vote and loses many other rights. Basically not a citizen anymore.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

#39
post #31

Only in the US will you find people that go to prison for arranging better education for their children. Utterly ridiculous. The best way to ensure that people do not do stuff like this is to make sure that all schools are held to the same high standards.

I agree with you that it's ridiculous they'd go to prison over it. However, "holding all schools to the same high standard" is impractical with the way the system is now.

Re: The Latest Crime Wave: Sending Your Child to a Better School

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post #21

Good examples of the effects of government getting involved in education, particularly tying it to location. The solution to this problem is clear but politically difficult: limit government involvement in education to vouchers at most, preferably none at all.

If government is not involved in education "at all", then you have the situation that people pay $$ for schools and then have no say in how the money is spent. This would not go down well...
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