NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard

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Post by firstbase » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 4:57 PM UTC

NY energy grid: Real-time dashboard
nyiso.com

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Post by fotta » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:15 PM UTC

California’s ISO has a similar dashboard: https://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx

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Post by tqmcb » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:19 PM UTC

Really interesting data here. I wonder if someone could reverse the estimate algorithm to see what impact weather has. I'm guessing that's the largest single factor? Might be useful to have that information readily available for those using their own personal solar panels.

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Post by woodruffw » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:33 PM UTC

Tangentially related: New York is home to NYPA[1], the largest public power utility/authority in the United States. NYPA is entirely owned by the public, produces some of the cheapest (and greenest) power in the country, and is funded in perpetuity by bonds instead of taxes.

Edit: This bond announcement[2] document claims that NYPA provides over 25% of NY's electricity and owns over 30% of the physical delivery infrastructure in the state.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Power_Authority

[2]: https://www.nypa.gov/-/media/nypa/documents/document-library...

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Post by londons_explore » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:45 PM UTC

Right now, the marginal price is $36/MWh.

Over in England, the marginal price is $268/MWh. [1]

When the price of energy is 7x higher, businesses cannot compete. Everything takes energy to use or make.

Yet few economists look at the price of energy when deciding which nations will rise and which will fall. Perhaps they should.

[1]: https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=eds/main

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Post by 7thaccount » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:56 PM UTC

Just an FYI,

All RTO/ISOs in the US have a variety of dashboards to describe realtime and historical information, as do the Canadian entities. So you can see the same thing for CAISO, ERCOT, SPP, MISO, PJM, ISO-NE...etc on their websites.

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 5:58 PM UTC

7thaccount wrote: post #6

Just an FYI, All RTO/ISOs in the US have a variety of dashboards to describe realtime and historical information, as do the Canadian entities. So you can see the same thing for CAISO, ERCOT, SPP, MISO, PJM, ISO-NE...etc on their websites.

Check out ElectricityMap.org, they scrape the independent dashboards (CAISO, NYISO, ISO-NE, ERCOT) for generation mix data, anything else (in the US) is pulled from EIA’s balancing authority API with a 6-12 hour lag (ElectricityMap uses machine learning to provide real time estimates based on historical data for data delayed zones, and it is spooky how accurate it is [Chile in particular] when the data backfills and “catches up”).

https://app.electricitymap.org

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/gridmonitor/dashboard/electr...

Edit: (can’t reply, HN throttling) @mardifoufs https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/hydro-quebec-could-l...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/maine-vote-hydro-quebec-1.6233...

(NIMBYs in Maine sandbagging export of clean hydro to New England ISOs)

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Post by woodruffw » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 6:09 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #5

Right now, the marginal price is $36/MWh. Over in England, the marginal price is $268/MWh. [1] When the price of energy is 7x higher, businesses cannot compete. Everything takes energy to use or make. Yet few economists look at the price of energy when deciding which nations will rise and which will fall. Perhaps they should. [1]: https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=eds/main

I assume that the UK is like the US in providing separate commercial electricity rates, so I'm not sure that there's a meaningful comparison to be made directly here.

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Post by clappski » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 6:13 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #5

Right now, the marginal price is $36/MWh. Over in England, the marginal price is $268/MWh. [1] When the price of energy is 7x higher, businesses cannot compete. Everything takes energy to use or make. Yet few economists look at the price of energy when deciding which nations will rise and which will fall. Perhaps they should. [1]: https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=eds/main

Something to bare in mind when you're looking at both of those is the price is highly dependent on a number of factors;

- Type of generation, looking at the NY data they have a huge hydro generation, obviously the UK grid has much less of that

- Time of day, the Elexon graph is showing you the system price per 30 minute settlement period. You can see that some of those periods weren't anywhere near what you're quoting (there was literally a period where the system price was 0£ in the last 24h). https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=balancing/systemsellbuypri... makes the volatility much more obvious.

- The weather, it plays a big part in the system price due to price disparity of renewables (commonly wind in the UK grid) compared to oil based and gas generation.

- The interconnect, the UK grid has interconnectors to the EU grid so there's some price impact from that

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 11, 2022, 6:17 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #5

Right now, the marginal price is $36/MWh. Over in England, the marginal price is $268/MWh. [1] When the price of energy is 7x higher, businesses cannot compete. Everything takes energy to use or make. Yet few economists look at the price of energy when deciding which nations will rise and which will fall. Perhaps they should. [1]: https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=eds/main

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