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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Yes, they were never unbiased or objective, but they would often try to be a bit less biased and a bit objective. Now some journalists openly mock such efforts and see their job as creating a narrative that suits their political agenda. This is shocking to me and others because the watered down objectivity of the past was still better than nothing.

I think that part of the problem is that people confuse journalism, which is what reporters at newspapers and people in the field do, and editorialism, which is what normally happens on Fox and CNN. Editorials are not journalism, but when the journalism disagrees with people who are accustomed to the nature of the editorials they enjoy, they then see bias on the part of the journalists instead of the commentators.

Even if an article is written that only contains hard facts there are many ways it can be biased. It could exclude inconvenient facts (this is the most common), it can have inconvenient information at the end of the article where most people don't read. Some news can also just be ignored. Some parts of a story are never surfaced simply because no one cares about it or knows about it.

Journalists are flawed humans like everyone else and expecting them to produce complete and objective reporting is not only unfair it is literally impossible.

So no, I do not believe there is such a thing as objective reporting generated by a single human or a single organization. The only true, unbiased journalism would be some sort of technology that could let everyone view the full entirety of any event from any perspective without a human brain and sensory system in between. That's not practical.

Practically speaking, it is up to the reader to consume as many varying sources as possible and then come to their own conclusion. But who has time for that?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

1) ban for russian citizens 2) no ban for russian authorities.

Simple as that.

1 is for in, 2 is for out

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

They could relax their rules to allow for calls to military self-defense in the context of a "military operation" that has been condemned by the UN, while still banning "calls for violence" against Russians. The two are nothing like each other! Self-defense, or "standing one's ground" is not the same as initiating violence.

Pardon me, but isn't that exactly what they're doing?

> "As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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If it's against Russians who are invading Ukraine . > "We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement."

What counts as "credible"?

Whatever Meta decides is "credible".

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #82

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On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

They could relax their rules to allow for calls to military self-defense in the context of a "military operation" that has been condemned by the UN, while still banning "calls for violence" against Russians. The two are nothing like each other! Self-defense, or "standing one's ground" is not the same as initiating violence.

This is the most absurd take. So they should stand their ground against the Russian advance, but inflict no harm to the Russian soldiers?

You’re welcome to try it, but please forgive the Ukrainians if they take the common sense route.

By the way, there’s a reason we admire Tank Man, but we don’t know his identity.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

Wasnt there an old ~8 hour long movie about the media making up stories to sell news? Edit: I cannot remember the name, I just remember being in JB HiFi in Australia looking at DVDs and there was an old black and white movie from the 20s or 30s about a guy who has a new empire but they make up stories to sell the paper and none of it was real. I just remember not buying it because the time was something like 6-8 hour…

I don't know about a movie, but there have been several books written about media bias by people in the media. One example is Bernard Goldberg's book "Bias." (https://www.amazon.com/Bias-Insider-Exposes-Media-Distort/dp...)

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

He said that Russia doesn't plan on invading any countries and that Russia hasn't even invaded Ukraine... which is very concerning for us in Romania.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

They should have kept it quiet in any case. The rhetoric hurts them either way.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

Feel free to suggest different rules. Start with the publicly accessible “Community Standards” and edit it to the point where they are consistent and comprehensive in your book with no special cases. We’ll wait.

In reality what you might find is that even some obvious rules like “no naked pictures of obvious minors (<10 years) should be allowed” have exceptions to it. And if you can’t reason why this is true (I’m thinking of a specific picture), then at least admit the task you’re implying is trivial is harder than it looks.

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