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Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

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Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#251

Dude, chill out, they’re literally just saying hi. Not every communication in the workplace has to get right down to brass tacks.

I'm guessing you never worked with support of any kind. When you're working with something important, having to stop what you're doing to "say hi" to 10 people is such a colossal waste of your time that at one point you decide it's easier to just ignore people who don't know how to communicate asynchronously.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#252
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your thoughts on individuals publishing READMEs on how best to interact with them? Similar sort of thing or sufficiently different?

While I like the concept from one angle, on another angle I'm not reading a fucking manual every time I want to talk to someone, it's just not happening. Especially since we know people will just start adding shit to it every time something happens they don't like and we'll end up with pages of interaction rules. No thanks.

We do this for forums. We read and make comments here just fine.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#253

seems kind of dumb - the author is presupposing what the intent was. Not to mention that it's important to have the other person actually acknowledge a conversation is happening. how about: A: Hi! B: What's up...? A: Nothing just wanted to say hi! B: Oh, haha. How's it going? A: I was just realizing we haven't spoke in forever. Where are you these days? ===================================================== Let's say…

What's the difference between: Hi! > and Hi! We haven't spoken in forever, what's up? > What would you do different in the first case that you wouldn't do in the second case?

The difference is that if you want to have the conversation in real time you want to see if they're there first. It's the the same difference between leaving a voice mail and repeatedly calling.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#254
post #228

I completley disagree with this. It depends on the person you are talking to. If this is a support chat or you are dealing with someone who is only there to take questions then yes... just state your question. In every other scenario, when someone says hello, greet them back. Exchange small talk if you must. That is just basic human pleasentries which for some reason is not allowed when you're using a keyboard? It's…

You should be strict in what you send and generous in what you accept. If someone says hello then of course say hello back. But when saying hello to someone else, include your content in the same message.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#255

I often will say "you there?" or "you busy?" This means I don't have a single question, it means I want to have a synchronous conversation. There are lots of reasons for the latter. This is what I would prefer people do with me as well, and if I am busy, I feel like I can ignore the message until I have a few minutes to talk (often with voice/phone) I say this as someone working from home, thousands of miles from mos…

I will usually fully ignore those. If someone wants to have a synchronous conversation, I want them to state that. Instead of saying "You there?" I would prefer "You have 5 minutes to discuss X?" or "Do you have a moment to hop on a call to chat about ?". That way I can make a decision on if I have time for it or not, instead of having to reply with "I'm here, what do you need?" only for it to end up being something…

"If someone wants to have a synchronous conversation, I want them to state that."

The people that I would send a "you there?" message understand that my message is shorthand for that. They might respond with "in a meeting" or "gimme a few minutes" or if they are available for a synchronous conversation, "hey" or "what's up?"

I have a couple contacts that are "on the spectrum" and I deal with them a little differently. They seem to need things spelled out a bit more explicitly. But those people tend to get left out of many discussions, and don't seem to do as well careerwise in the long term, because they don't really connect on a human level with people.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because the chat app shows that you are logged in, it does not mean that you are immediately available to chat. If I want to leave a message for someone with a response accepted at their convenience, then I send an email. If I reach out via chat, it's because I expect a realtime exchange. Again, because the little green dot appears next to user's name does not mean they are not deep in the tall grass and readily…

You are wrong.

Seems reasonable to me. I don't manage my chat status. I look at it sort of like email except for an individual or small group the implication is that it's more immediate than email. For a larger group, it's more FYI/background.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#257
post #228

I completley disagree with this. It depends on the person you are talking to. If this is a support chat or you are dealing with someone who is only there to take questions then yes... just state your question. In every other scenario, when someone says hello, greet them back. Exchange small talk if you must. That is just basic human pleasentries which for some reason is not allowed when you're using a keyboard? It's…

Yes, we should skip basic human pleasantries when using a keyboard. There's plenty of time for those on voice and video chat.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#258

Yes, this, 100%. I find it very annoying to get a notification popping up on my screen for you to say "hi" when obviously you want to ask me for something...and then you don't ask or say anything else until I stop what I'm doing and say "Hi! What's up?" back to you. After another 5-10 minutes of waiting for you to see me ask "what's up?" and then type out what is up, which we all knew you were going to end up doing a…

Pet peeves are anxieties that haven't been properly dealt with yet. I'd encourage folks to mute the notifications at the OS level and habitually check your chat app as an alternative. The key cause is often the notifications themselves and some are more sensitive to them than others.

I would 100% miss messages that way, so it's not an option. But honestly, the anxiety isn't about the notifications (although those are annoying). It's about how if someone says "hi" without any info, then I say "hi" back and now I have to wait for a response before I even know if I can help or not. The anxiety is about time management, not notification toasts.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#259

I often will say "you there?" or "you busy?" This means I don't have a single question, it means I want to have a synchronous conversation. There are lots of reasons for the latter. This is what I would prefer people do with me as well, and if I am busy, I feel like I can ignore the message until I have a few minutes to talk (often with voice/phone) I say this as someone working from home, thousands of miles from mos…

There is still no reason to not state your questions upfront, even if the answers are best delivered synchronously. Withholding that kind of information makes you appear dishonest in a professional setting.

Re: Don't ask to ask, just ask (2019)

#260
post #54

This reminds me a lot about when people ask "Hey, are you doing anything Saturday afternoon?" Which is trap. Because if you say "no" then you don't have a polite excuse to decline to help someone move houses, troubleshoot a fiber install, or go for a hike. The polite way to ask is "hey, can you help me move on Saturday? I have a truck and 3 others already."

I'm a socially awkward person and always feel bad diving right into requests like that.
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