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Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by xdennis »

dade_ wrote: post #11
thinkingemote wrote: post #4

Hate is hate. Morality is absolute, not relative.

Calls for violence and hate are different things. I don't hate Russians, but I support violence against their soldiers invading Ukraine. Hating someone also doesn't mean they are worth the jail time from a violent act.

I think you'll find that when you see your family and friends being bombed you can't kill the invaders with a clear mind and no hate.

There are already multiple car accidents caused by Ukrainian refuges in Romania because they're too distraught due to what they've suffered so far. And you want them to not hate Russians? You can't be rational when you see your battered 5 year old in the morgue.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by xdennis »

daenz wrote: post #160

>Emails also showed that Meta would allow praise of the right-wing Azov battalion, which is normally prohibited, in a change first reported by The Intercept. So it's ok to praise literal neo-Nazis now, as long as it lines up with business and political interests? Someone less cynical than me, please explain.

And Allies were friendly with the genocidal "Uncle Joe Stalin".

> If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons." -- Churchill

Those neo nazis are defending Ukraine. What are you proposing? Should they surrender and let Russians do another Holodomor?

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Post by xdennis »

mardifoufs wrote: post #165
Johnny555 wrote: post #19

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Which brakes? Russia's attack on Ukraine? Sure, let's stop or slow that down, but how?

Whataboutism. Focus on the current issue of Facebook enabling hate

It's not whataboutism when it's the literal cause.

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Post by ashwagary »

squarefoot wrote: post #236
ashwagary wrote: post #219

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>If NATO or any other EU country shoots down a Russian plane -in Ukraine- Russians will retaliate -in Ukraine- with conventional weapons. I think this is a sensitive area where acting like there is any certainty is dangerous. I can't agree with your assumptions about 2nd order and 3rd order effects because there are too many known and unknown variables to consider.

I think it is safe to assume nobody would like to start a nuclear war because of ensured mutual partial or total destruction; intervention in Ukraine with conventional weapons only would send a clear message that there is no will to reach that level.

>intervention in Ukraine with conventional weapons only would send a clear message that there is no will to reach that level.

This is not true. No nuclear powers should engage in direct wars, I'm not a fan of proxy wars either but they are safer than direct conflicts which can easily escalate.

We have never had a world war between nuclear armed states and we should avoid the potential at all costs.

Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by helge9210 »

ashwagary wrote: post #279
helge9210 wrote: post #271

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Term "Nazi" originally and in modern Russian [propaganda] have a different meaning. "Being Ukrainian (speaking the language, knowing the history, preserving the culture)" is equal to being "Nazi" in the eyes of Russians. So 10% are those, who would not make compromises related to language, history and culture to have some economic or political gains.

>Term "Nazi" originally and in modern Russian [propaganda] have a different meaning. The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews. I don't think the term "Nazi" is as different as you claim. Please provide sources for any counterarguments you make. I welcome legitimate pushback to this polling data and the public historical claims.

> The militia that Stepan Bandera was a leader of exterminated an estimated ~200,000 Jews

That would constitute a crime against humanity. Can you point to any trial against members of this organisation?

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Post by mrtksn »

xdennis wrote: post #287
mrtksn wrote: post #249

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Why don't you provide some arguments instead? That's seriously low quality comment right there that doesn't amount to anything other than a personal attack. This shouldn't have place in HN.

Your initial comment doesn't make any sense. Why would Facebook being American have anything to do with anything? It's a natural right of people to defend themselves and that requires killing invaders. There is nothing wrong with people doing this or discussing this on any platform.

It's not because its American but foreign(except for Americans, of course) and as we know from history, different countries can have different interests and they can clash and as we can see from the current events this can happen even today.

Communications are vital to the society and it is a national security risk when your communications are run by non-impartial entities. Meta choosing to enable some communities engage in an activity and deny it to others makes them a grave risk. This time around you may be happy with their choices, the next time you might be targeted.

I hope this is clearer now.

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Post by dang »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #136
gruez wrote: post #126

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> Okay, let's use your wording then. Would you say that in the hypothetical described above, that Islamophobia would be "all insignificant" and "least of people's worries"? My bad, I didn't know Islam was a country with a government that decided to send tanks and jets to invade and bomb a foreign country... /s That's the absurd parallel you are proudly are making as a sophist. Perhaps you should focus on making the R…

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Re: Facebook and Instagram to temporarily allow calls for violence against Russians

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Post by dang »

gruez wrote: post #148
throw_m239339 wrote: post #136

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> Okay, let's use your wording then. Would you say that in the hypothetical described above, that Islamophobia would be "all insignificant" and "least of people's worries"? My bad, I didn't know Islam was a country with a government that decided to send tanks and jets to invade and bomb a foreign country... /s That's the absurd parallel you are proudly are making as a sophist. Perhaps you should focus on making the R…

>My bad, I didn't know Islam was a country with a government that decided to send tanks and jets to invade and bomb a foreign country... /s Saudi Arabia is a state sponsor of terrorism[1]. Would you say that "Saudiphobia" would be "all insignificant" and "least of people's worries"? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saud...

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