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Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by vogre »

zepearl wrote: post #89
vogre wrote: post #20

Hello! Russian SW developer from Moscow is here. First, it's been a shock for all the society. No one would imagine in a worst dream that this attack would happen. Even when Putin made his speech about acceptance of LNR/DNR we were like "phew, another shitty fake politics, nothing really changes". But then the war started. And no one expected that! I think, even military or economic ministers didn't expect that. Peop…

> They see the beautiful TV picture of brave Russian forces fighting Ukrainian nazis... I never understood that part of the propaganda: to free a nation from nazis who elected a jewish president??? ("Zelenskyy is the first Jewish President of Ukraine..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy ) Sounds completely crazy to me? I'm assuming that Ukraine's president's religion is known to Russians (as apparent…

Actually in Russia Nazis are known for killing Russians, not jews. There were about 40 millions of Soviet People killed in WW2.

So when Ukraine made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera its national hero and even built some monuments, it became very easy to convince people that there are real nazi here. It was like a gift to Russian propaganda.

Not to mention the existence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by zepearl »

vogre wrote: post #101
zepearl wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They see the beautiful TV picture of brave Russian forces fighting Ukrainian nazis... I never understood that part of the propaganda: to free a nation from nazis who elected a jewish president??? ("Zelenskyy is the first Jewish President of Ukraine..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy ) Sounds completely crazy to me? I'm assuming that Ukraine's president's religion is known to Russians (as apparent…

Actually in Russia Nazis are known for killing Russians, not jews. There were about 40 millions of Soviet People killed in WW2. So when Ukraine made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera its national hero and even built some monuments, it became very easy to convince people that there are real nazi here. It was like a gift to Russian propaganda. Not to mention the existence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azo…

Ah, now I understand, thank you!

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#103

Post by leereeves »

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #95
leereeves wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the great territorial expansions of ... United States under Nixon What are you referring to here? I don't recall Nixon claiming any new territory. The real American expansionist was Polk. He's barely remembered now but he was responsible for annexing Texas, taking the southwest US from Mexico after the Mexican–American War, and dividing the northwestern US/southwest Canada with Britain.

Nixon formulated the brenton woods. I would argue that was the biggest poweer play in all of history and is the reason for US dominance. It created the USD as the worlds reserve currency.

The Bretton Woods Agreement was in 1944, under FDR.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by nowherebeen »

ethics13 wrote: post #87
throwaway_9357 wrote: post #32

I am disgusted at all 3 political sides involved. Most disgusted with EU/US, followed by Ukrainian government and finally by the Russian Government. A war does not happen for no reason. Putin is a known to be a rational actor. Obviously ordinary people do not want war. So you have to ask yourself, what events led to the war? What was done to prevent it? What is done to stop it now? Why am I disgusted with US/EU? Firs…

From one Russian to another, не валяй дурака. There was no precedent of NATO anything. NATO didn't attack or threaten your land. Ukraine never attacked Russia. Russia did with Donbas and then Crimea. Your post embodies the propaganda that Russians in Russia swallowed, hook, bait, and even the lasso.

Yeah, a lot of his arguments don't really make sense if you break it down. The logic is similar to what Chinese people from China think on political issues.

It's always some shadowy government coming for them and they must defend themselves and rid of them (i.e. attack). When in doubt, blame the West.

It's crazy how ingrained it is for nationalists from current and former communist countries.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#105

Post by gaws »

ainzzorl wrote: post #56

Software engineer from Moscow. This is an absolute disaster for us. I can't imagine how and when we recover from this. The damage already made to our country is going to be devastating, and it's not even over yet. I even envy Ukrainians a little because they have a future (if they survive all this of course), and we don't. Most people in my bubble, including myself, are strongly against the war. Many are fleeing the…

> People are not to blame for the actions their government.

These are the same people who elect incompetent leaders to power and allowed them to seize control indefinitely. The people share some responsibility in this.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by gaws »

harel wrote: post #4
Dah00n wrote: post #3

I have friends in Russia but if I relate their thoughts I will be downvoted and flagged to oblivion. There's no room for "the other view" on HN. Look at any old thread about PRC and see how it goes. When it smells a little of politics HN quickly devolve and moderation is needed.

Post it as a throwaway. I'm very interested in hearing the other side. After all, a coin has three sides...

> I'm very interested in hearing the other side.

Russia good. Ukraine bad. West worst.

What else is there to know?

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by gastroturf »

gaws wrote: post #105
ainzzorl wrote: post #56

Software engineer from Moscow. This is an absolute disaster for us. I can't imagine how and when we recover from this. The damage already made to our country is going to be devastating, and it's not even over yet. I even envy Ukrainians a little because they have a future (if they survive all this of course), and we don't. Most people in my bubble, including myself, are strongly against the war. Many are fleeing the…

> People are not to blame for the actions their government. These are the same people who elect incompetent leaders to power and allowed them to seize control indefinitely. The people share some responsibility in this.

Quoting Colbert: > Putin is considering running again in 2024, but he hasn’t decided yet how much he wants to win by.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

#108

Post by nowherebeen »

throwaway_9357 wrote: post #32

I am disgusted at all 3 political sides involved. Most disgusted with EU/US, followed by Ukrainian government and finally by the Russian Government. A war does not happen for no reason. Putin is a known to be a rational actor. Obviously ordinary people do not want war. So you have to ask yourself, what events led to the war? What was done to prevent it? What is done to stop it now? Why am I disgusted with US/EU? Firs…

I respect your opinion and I am not Russian, so I don't have skin in the game. But, I wonder if you realize your comment paints yourself as the ultimate victim.

There is also a strong sense of victim blaming for Ukraine's defensive action. It's equivalent of an abusive boyfriend beating her girlfriend up and then blaming her for defending herself.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by gimboland »

TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #67
runjake wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ugly truth is that at the root of it all, violence is the foundation upon which society sits. Society is held together by the threat of violence. A pacifist gets to live their pacifist lives, because they are kept safe by those who would inflict violence upon those who would threaten society.

In the book the soverign individual the author speaks at depth that a "Monopoly on violence" is actually what keeps society safe.

That's an idea that goes back to Hobbes' Leviathan.

Re: Ask HN: What do Russians on HN think about this war?

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

leereeves wrote: post #103
TrapLord_Rhodo wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nixon formulated the brenton woods. I would argue that was the biggest poweer play in all of history and is the reason for US dominance. It created the USD as the worlds reserve currency.

The Bretton Woods Agreement was in 1944, under FDR.

Whoops - you're totally right. Seems i can recall ancient history better than recent history haha.
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