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U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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Where's that video of the guy's dash cam showing what full autonomous driving in a Tesla is currently like, the one where it keeps trying to drive him head first in to other vehicles. I'm hoping this is just intended for on-campus shuttles or something.

> I'm hoping this is just intended for on-campus shuttles or something.

Or those Jurassic park like vehicles

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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Driving is already a Russian roulette right? If autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers as advertised the barrel would just have more capacity.

Car accidents kill someone every 100 million miles driven in the US. Anyone claiming they're safer now is either selling something or doesn't know what they're talking about.

Could you share how many accidents happen, rather than deaths? With a source as well, if you happen to be looking it up.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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One of my favorite youtubers did an hour long video on the trucker convoy from California to DC and it was a peak into another world. The thing I thought about after watching it was wondering what it looks like when that group has mass unemployment in 10 years. Truck driving employs 1% of the US population and if those jobs are lost to automation, there's no chance of them coming back like they did throughout other r…

I'm going to submit that some of these COVID protests are not COVID protests. They are inequality protests, but seriously talking about inequality has been pushed out of the Overton window across much of the American political landscape. As a result the anger "sublimates" out about other issues. The right does a good job guiding the anger of the working class toward issues that have nothing to do with inequality like…

I have a suspicion that housing will stop being a crisis due to a combination of:

1) the main expense is the land, the houses themselves are cheap, so anything that causes existing-but-undesirable houses to now be in a commuter zone increases useful supply

2) self-driving vehicles will allow people to commute while asleep or doing their hobbies (this is a terrible idea with current tech, people already get in trouble for doing both in existing self-driving cars)

3) remote working (we already have a lot of digital entertainment and socialising)

If I’m wrong, I expect it to be because all this makes meatspace location into an even bigger status symbol than it is already.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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Reading between the lines here this just makes me think that the regulator has become captured by the industry. This is like removing human control on an autonomous Russian roulette revolver that shoots to the side if it detects a person in front of the barrel, then praying for the best.

This was part of the plan for the market. Remove human drivers & owner operators to have tighter control over the markets. The appearance of safety using coarse statistical samples (is is really safer?) is pretense for the real reasons.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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I think any automated vehicle, no matter how advanced, should always have a big red button to make it stop whatever it's doing. Kind of like the emergency brake on a passenger train.

I'd like to imagine we'd have "manual override" controls like I, Robot (2004) showed: https://youtube.com/shorts/46-EGyn7rwc As implied in the clip, after a few years of self-driving cars, most passengers won't know how to drive well enough for it to be safe and other autonomous vehicles might not coordinate well with a manual driver.

A "pull over" button could work, but still relies on the automated driving capabilities.

A third option would be to dial an "expert driver" who takes remote control of the car to get you to safety, bypassing both the automated driver and the passengers' inability to drive. Lack of connectivity could be an issue, and it opens the door wider for hackers (already an issue though). However I have to imagine that in-transit connectivity will be increasing dramatically once people want to work or watch Netflix during their commute.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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This feels like getting the cart before the horse. As far as I’m aware (and as has been proven by car companies’ continuing inability to produce a safely self driving vehicle) there’s no standard test for what counts as an ”automated driving system (ADS) vehicle” capable of safely navigating public roads.

Regulators shouldn’t just take for profit companies’ word that a vehicle is automated. There should be a standard battery of tests which a vehicle must pass to be considered automated.

Allowing companies to get rid of controls just because they pinky swear the vehicle can handle driving safely in all foreseeable conditions is a sure way to end up with needless death and injury due to the same dynamics that were written in the book Unsafe at any Speed.

The safety and regulatory framework should exist before the activity is allowed rather than waiting until the inevitable deaths and injuries and relying on the families of the deceased to petition congress.

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We have the technology to replace schoolchildren at a much lower cost than cars

We don't have inexpensive cloning and rapid growth technology.

Children are pretty much fungible before a certain age.

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If your vehicle is heading relentlessly toward a group of schoolchildren it would be nice to have a way to override it. Either that or no windows so you won't be haunted by it every night of your life.

We have the technology to replace schoolchildren at a much lower cost than cars

> much lower cost than cars

Spoken like someone who has never been a parent.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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If your vehicle is heading relentlessly toward a group of schoolchildren it would be nice to have a way to override it. Either that or no windows so you won't be haunted by it every night of your life.

I'm not sure if I'm optimistic about autonomous vehicles or just very pessimistic about human drivers. I have no confidence that the next driver making a left turn while I'm crossing the road won't kill me. I'm much more comfortable with a computer that is programmed to avoid killing me, even if the software may have the occasional bug, than with a human who may or may not prioritize my life over whatever else it is they have going on that day.
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