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U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

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Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#53
post #8

This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.

It reminds me of 7 years ago when Amazon was claiming that FAA regulations were holding back its drone deliveries[1].

[1] https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/faa-drone-regulations-blow...

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#54
post #8

This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.

Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?

If genetically engineering a unicorn was given the level of resources that self driving has, then I think we would have unicorns by now.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#55
post #7

Reading between the lines here this just makes me think that the regulator has become captured by the industry. This is like removing human control on an autonomous Russian roulette revolver that shoots to the side if it detects a person in front of the barrel, then praying for the best.

Driving is already a Russian roulette right? If autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers as advertised the barrel would just have more capacity.

Define 'safer'.

If you have not paid your taxes, get in to your car, and it drives you to the local court-house or police station, this is a new risk, no?

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#56
post #4

I think any automated vehicle, no matter how advanced, should always have a big red button to make it stop whatever it's doing. Kind of like the emergency brake on a passenger train.

You mean like machinery in factories? Sounds like a revolutionary idea!

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Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#57
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s part of the point: Whether or not they are eventually possible is an open question. The standard argument for agnosticism as to the possibility is “The problem reduces to artificial general intelligence, the possibility of which is an open question.”

Is whether unicorns are possible an open question? Even if it is, does anyone care about it? Are any companies actively trying to create unicorns?

They would certainly have a market for my 6yo daughter's demographic.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#58
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?

If genetically engineering a unicorn was given the level of resources that self driving has, then I think we would have unicorns by now.

I'm considering a graphene horseshoe startup for unicorns.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?

> given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible I think of this as an unproven assumption, not a given.

Agreed! My point is not so much as whether it's possible, it's as whether the analogy holds, which I think it doesn't, since no companies are trying to create unicorns.

Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles

#60
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't the analogy fail given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible and pursued and unicorns not?

That’s part of the point: Whether or not they are eventually possible is an open question. The standard argument for agnosticism as to the possibility is “The problem reduces to artificial general intelligence, the possibility of which is an open question.”

> Whether or not they are eventually possible is an open question.

They're probably not possible with the road system we have but we redesigned our road system to accommodate cars(arguably with terrible results for non-cars) and we could probably redesign it again for autonomous cars. For example by requiring pedestrians and cyclists to wear radio transponders.

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