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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses
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Ah yes, the Arab hivemind sub plot to take over your country with little brown babies overtaking precious white ones. I, too, get concerned of the explosion of disgusting brown people that threatens my beautiful non Arabic speaking country. /s if not clear.
Arabs are not "brown". GJ on unintentional racism
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#333The title of this post is mis-leading, or at least incomplete. Read the article. It's about denying automatic citizenship upon marriage. It's not about barring or banning marriage.
The title of the post is the title of the reuters article
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#334Most comments here are attacking the decision, or just quoting the decision, and following it up by a "wtf". Just being shocked is not an argument.
Jews are or have been persecuted in all middle eastern countries. What would happen if they were a minority in a democratic state in the Middle East? Why would it be different than in the other democracies in the Middle East?
Laws like these lower the probability of Jews becoming a minority in Israel. Do you think the probability of them becoming a minority is zero? And the probability of them being persecuted provided they become a minority is zero? Unless you think both probabilities are very low you must understand their concerns.
You may agree with their concerns or not, I don't, but this is what must be addressed when criticizing these laws. Saying this is apartheid means nothing because the situation is not analogous.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Jews are an ethnic group, not a religion. (Even if traditionally most members of that ethnic group followed a particular religion, many don’t now).
>Jews are an ethnic group, not a religion. Ethnoreligious...to be precise.
Atheist Christian doesn't make much sense last time I checked.
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#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm trying really hard to put aside the racist comments... This still doesn't explain how these women are obtaining Israeli citizenship if polygamy is illegal.
Now I understand your question. It is possible that because the first and second wife are not registered with the state, the men are "marrying" for the first (official) time. That could even be why this practice is usually done for the third- and forth- wife, and not the first or second. It is possible that these marriage are the "official" state-registered marriage. That's my guess, I don't really know.
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quebec happened because britian and france signed a peace treaty that both sides respected. Nobody has managed to cobble together a peace treaty for the israel-palestine situation that actually got respected.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Plains_of_Abra... Not quite...
I disagree, the peace of paris (with its conditions like respecting roman catholics) not the battle, is what lead to quebec being relatively peacefully integrated into british rule. (To be clear not saying that things were perfect or anything)
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#338Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm trying really hard to put aside the racist comments... This still doesn't explain how these women are obtaining Israeli citizenship if polygamy is illegal.
Now I understand your question. It is possible that because the first and second wife are not registered with the state, the men are "marrying" for the first (official) time. That could even be why this practice is usually done for the third- and forth- wife, and not the first or second. It is possible that these marriage are the "official" state-registered marriage. That's my guess, I don't really know.
I believe it’s relevant because why make a change to law if these polygamists aren’t exploiting the marriage law?
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#339If you’re trying to pacify a group wouldn’t you encourage integration, instead of banning it?
They do not want integration, because Israel is, according to law makers, only meant for one ethnicity that they aren't a part of. So integration is opposed.
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#340First of all, this isn't a ban on Israeli-Palestinian marriage, this is a restriction on the ability to gain citizenship through those marriages. I don't agree with that, but I do think it's important to clarify. Regarding comments I'm seeing here saying Israel is an apartheid state or that Israel is racist or that Israel the concept of a Jewish state is disgusting: Israel is the size of New Jersey. It is the only st…
Obvious diversion from the core issue. Israel must either grant the occupied lands true sovereignty and have their ethnostate or end the occupation and grant them equal civilian rights. Either way they must end their occupation of both Gaza and the West Bank.
You start off saying that it's 'disgusting' to call Israel a racist state and then conclude by saying that it was always intended to be a 'Jewish state' and not a 'melting pot'. That's highly contradictory and defending a very racist policy, which is indeed, disgusting.