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Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

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Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#11
I don't trust either Ukraine nor Russia in this matter. I can see Ukraine using it for surveillance and the drone going haywire. I also can see Russia using it as SAM bait but the drone flying off all up to Croatia.

I am confused how it managed to go through two NATO countries skies for over 600 KM in a state of heightened alert.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#12
post #11

I don't trust either Ukraine nor Russia in this matter. I can see Ukraine using it for surveillance and the drone going haywire. I also can see Russia using it as SAM bait but the drone flying off all up to Croatia. I am confused how it managed to go through two NATO countries skies for over 600 KM in a state of heightened alert.

>I am confused how it managed to go through two NATO countries skies for over 600 KM in a state of heightened alert.

Being small, having a low RCS, and flying low enough to evade radar, means that most states probably had difficulties tracking it accurately. Romania claimed they saw it on radar for only 3 minutes. [1].

https://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-defense-25428132-drona-ucrainea...

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#13

I mean, why would Ukraine launch a drone westwards, anyway? More likely the Russians are using old hardware, because the new stuff was all propaganda and doesn’t actually work - and has supply chain dependencies in the west, and can’t be replaced.

> Russians are using old hardware, because the new stuff was all propaganda and doesn’t actually work

Maybe it works but it's ludicrously complex and expensive for them to manufacture, plus it's unproven reliability in combat means it's safer and cheaper to use what's been thoroughly tested.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

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post #11

I don't trust either Ukraine nor Russia in this matter. I can see Ukraine using it for surveillance and the drone going haywire. I also can see Russia using it as SAM bait but the drone flying off all up to Croatia. I am confused how it managed to go through two NATO countries skies for over 600 KM in a state of heightened alert.

> I can see Ukraine using it for surveillance and the drone going haywire.

I can imagine that 1980's equipment is trivial to jam these days for most armed forces.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

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It landed in an area of Zagreb called Jarun. There’s also a place in Ukraine called Yarun. I think someone entered Jarun on Google Maps, selected the wrong place and entered the coordinates without looking.

More worrying is that no detection system has seen it.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#16
post #11

I don't trust either Ukraine nor Russia in this matter. I can see Ukraine using it for surveillance and the drone going haywire. I also can see Russia using it as SAM bait but the drone flying off all up to Croatia. I am confused how it managed to go through two NATO countries skies for over 600 KM in a state of heightened alert.

There could be two factors, but one is much more interesting than the other.

- NATO is on a heightened state of alert, but that doesn't mean they will go around shooting down aircraft. It may have been observed on its trajectory, but not intercepted or simply not shot down.

- There has been repeated video of Ukrainian flown Byaktar drones conducting direct line of sight air strikes against large Russian air defense such as the BUK system. There is a possibility that low-observability features in drones are good and cheap enough that low cost drones are temporarily immune to alerted air defense. This could be due to both economics where the air defense missile costs to much to use it against a drone (less likely) or the air defense isn't designed to target small low-observability objects (more likely).

A Byaktar drone costs ~1 million dollars, you can buy 3-4 of them for the cost of the US Navies SM-6 missile for air defense.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#17
post #3

I mean, why would Ukraine launch a drone westwards, anyway? More likely the Russians are using old hardware, because the new stuff was all propaganda and doesn’t actually work - and has supply chain dependencies in the west, and can’t be replaced.

South-westwards(?), more than 500km in the wrong direction. But accidents do happen, of course.

The Tu-141 has a range of about 1000km, so presumably 2000km one way. Draw a 2000km line form Zagreb through pretty much anywhere in Ukraine and you end up a little way over the border into Russia. Seems pretty obvious what could have happened and not terribly surprising. The surprising thing to me is that it crashed in a city center vs the countryside. edit: Though the Jarun/Yarun both spelled "Ярун" theory would totally explain that.

Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

#18

It landed in an area of Zagreb called Jarun. There’s also a place in Ukraine called Yarun. I think someone entered Jarun on Google Maps, selected the wrong place and entered the coordinates without looking. More worrying is that no detection system has seen it.

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Re: Drone downed in Zagreb is not Ukrainian – adviser to defense minister

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It landed in an area of Zagreb called Jarun. There’s also a place in Ukraine called Yarun. I think someone entered Jarun on Google Maps, selected the wrong place and entered the coordinates without looking. More worrying is that no detection system has seen it.

Even more confusingly, they're both written "Ярун"—making this the most likely scenario in my eyes.
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