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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by taken_username »

bitcurious wrote: post #108
nix23 wrote: post #71

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Yeah see, sh*t like that happens when you make a country only based on/for a religion.

Based on ethnic identity, which is how the vast majority of non-Americas nations are structured. Japan for Japanese, Italy for Italians, Israel for Jews. As an immigrant, I’m partial to the American civic approach, but Israel ain’t special.

The problem is judaism is used both for ethnicity and religion.

You cannot become a Japanese if you practice their religion for seven years, but you can become Jewish.

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Post by vincentmarle »

unmole wrote: post #260
sarchertech wrote: post #154

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There are also many Arabic speaking Christians who don’t consider themselves to be Arabs culturally, and who definitely reject the label “Arab”.

What do they call themselves?

Lebanese?

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Post by zozbot234 »

worldvoyageur wrote: post #90

The book of Ruth in the Hebrew bible tells the story of ~5th century BCE Israeli refugees to neighbouring Moab. The story is repeated in the old testament in the Christian Bible. In Moab, the son marries Ruth, a local Moabite woman. Even though the son dies, when conditions in Israel improve, Ruth agrees to return to Israel with her mother-in-law. Another Moabite woman who marries another of the sons refuses the oppo…

The Christian Old Testament is the Hebrew Bible, modulo some small differences in accepted canon which vary depending on one's specific denomination.

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Post by saiya-jin »

nindalf wrote: post #227
biorach wrote: post #132

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The occupation of the West Bank does nothing to deter this. The annexation of the Golan Heights is somewhat justifiable on strategic grounds. The occupation of the West Bank is a land grab, pure and simple.

I think continuing to occupy West Bank and Gaza is unconscionable. But you’re mischaracterising the strategic importance of the West Bank. If it was a sovereign nation, the logical thing for the West Bank government to do would be to place artillery on the high ground near Israeli cities. The artillery would be sufficiently protected and would be capable of causing widespread destruction. That’s powerful negotiating…

Not arguing your statements, they make sense, but with this logic, horrible amoral inhumane things can be done (and are done daily) to innocent civilians basically forever, anywhere... not something I can accept.

Not that my opinion makes any meaningful impact on global scale, but I do at least vote with wallet and don't buy any Israeli products. I respect their military prowess but I have much higher moral expectations from place I will anyhow support with my money.

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Post by galangalalgol »

nindalf wrote: post #227
biorach wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The occupation of the West Bank does nothing to deter this. The annexation of the Golan Heights is somewhat justifiable on strategic grounds. The occupation of the West Bank is a land grab, pure and simple.

I think continuing to occupy West Bank and Gaza is unconscionable. But you’re mischaracterising the strategic importance of the West Bank. If it was a sovereign nation, the logical thing for the West Bank government to do would be to place artillery on the high ground near Israeli cities. The artillery would be sufficiently protected and would be capable of causing widespread destruction. That’s powerful negotiating…

Fascinating! I may have to read that.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

eatonphil wrote: post #52
School-Cotton wrote: post #26

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Same reason Russia is getting flak for invading and occupying territory (including, even, from Israel!) when Israel has illegally occupied the West Bank for decades with no consequences. Western countries apply their moral principles differently to their allies.

South Africa is/was a western ally. And the West did ignore apartheid for a long time.

The old regime in south Africa prior to 1994 was a "western ally". Reagan and Thatcher turned a blind eye to Apartheid (and sometime supported it) because the South African government was "anti-communist", or at least they dressed their oppression in that language of "total onslaught of Soviet communism" and that was more important to the west.

The new regime in south Africa has some nostalgia for the assistance offered to them by the USSR back then, that is why they abstained on the vote on UN resolution against Russian attack on Ukraine.

In some ways it was a proxy war.

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Post by redditwhat »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

Please explain how the #23 ranked country in the democracy index(higher than countries such as Italy, Spain and the US) and the #24 highest GDP per capita(higher than UK, France and South Korea) is not more of a western country then authoritarian regimes like Jordan, Turkey or Egypt? Israel has one of the largest pride parades in the world (300k+ people) and equal rights for LGBTQ people. Please look up what happens to the LGBTQ community in the countries you mentioned. Israel is a western country with western values and allies, we just have a very hard and not so easy to solve as people on HN think issue with the Palestinians which I hope would be solved some day in our lifetime

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Post by e-neko »

helge9210 wrote: post #249
e-neko wrote: post #220

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Of course nobody cares that an Israeli Jew marrying a Lebanese, or a Jordanian, or an Egyptian, let alone a Saudi citizen, can't get Lebanese or Jordanian or Egyptian or Saudi citizenship. But Israel must give citizenship to everyone... right?

Main problem here that if Israeli citizen will decide to marry a Lebanese, or a Jordanian, or an Egyptian or even Saudi citizen, they won't be able to live in Israel. Outrage of non-Israelis about is law is merely academical. Outrage of (some of) Israelis is practical: the state is putting a choice in front of a citizen -- be able to marry a person you want or be able to live in Israel.

Why is it not a problem that they won't be able to live in Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia? This outrage looks like a double standard to me.

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Post by s_dev »

thatsmyfribble wrote: post #259

First of all, this isn't a ban on Israeli-Palestinian marriage, this is a restriction on the ability to gain citizenship through those marriages. I don't agree with that, but I do think it's important to clarify. Regarding comments I'm seeing here saying Israel is an apartheid state or that Israel is racist or that Israel the concept of a Jewish state is disgusting: Israel is the size of New Jersey. It is the only st…

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Post by dotancohen »

claviola wrote: post #281
dotancohen wrote: post #271

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I'm trying really hard to put aside the racist comments... This still doesn't explain how these women are obtaining Israeli citizenship if polygamy is illegal.

Now I understand your question. It is possible that because the first and second wife are not registered with the state, the men are "marrying" for the first (official) time. That could even be why this practice is usually done for the third- and forth- wife, and not the first or second. It is possible that these marriage are the "official" state-registered marriage. That's my guess, I don't really know.
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