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Israel passes law denying naturalization to Palestinian spouses

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Post by 1337shadow »

pthread_t wrote: post #155
1337shadow wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently, we have two opposed rationales. Rationale 1: Terrorists are constantly looking for ways to get in a country, if the marriage background checks are proven not to be secure then it makes sense to pause it until a solution is found indeed. Rationale 2: Jewish hate Arabs is the explanation for everything. And I'm saying it would have been great if the article provided enough information so that we could make…

“There’s no need to shirk from the essence of this law. It is one of the tools to ensure a Jewish majority in Israel, which is the nation-state of the Jewish people. Our goal is for there to be a Jewish majority,” Lapid tweeted shortly before the law lapsed in early July. [1] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/months-after-citizenship-law-f...

Thanks! considering this I'm now wondering: I fill Nigeria with Norvegians, is it still Nigeria or an extension of Norway? I believe Nigerians have the right to have their country that doesn't look like an extension of another.

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Post by jonathan-adly »

miracle2k wrote: post #167
jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

> This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. Just to put some extra emphasis on quite how wrong this is: they are likely banned in almost no Middle Eastern country. Source: Married a woman from and in a Middle Eastern country under heavy sanctions just a few years ago. Ironically, the law in question is not about the le…

It is absolutely right. Want to look up what the legal stance in Egypt of an Egyptian Christian Male married a Muslim Woman? (even if she isn't Egyptian)

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Post by throwawaycities »

Qem wrote: post #11
quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

South Africa took a lot of flak for their apartheid. Wonder why the same doesn't happen with this apartheid in the XXI century. That's a shame.

It’s no doubt a powerful thought experiment to imagine a Palestinian version of Nelson Mandela sitting in a Israeli prison right now serving a life sentence, entirely sure that is where they have been fated to die, and after a 27 year term this person will not only unexpectedly be released and gain their freedom, they will go on to become President of Israel and win a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

Specifically, one of the legislative cornerstones of Apartheid in South Africa was the "Prohibition of Mixed Marriages Act, 1949" (1) which prohibited marriage between person of different "racial groups".

It was repealed in 1985

1)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_of_Mixed_Marriages...

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Post by Banana699 »

themaninthedark wrote: post #107
moltke wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if you've noticed but it's usually very difficult to criticize Israel outside of the darker corners of the internet.

I would not call HN a darker corner of the internet...

And even so, it's relatively minor and much less mainstream as social forums go.

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Post by Qiu_Zhanxuan »

jonathan-adly wrote: post #60

This is how the Middle East works by the way. Interreligious marriages are a very big deal and banned in every single Middle Eastern country. The good countries will refuse to issue a marriage license to you, the bad countries will send the police to watch as a mob lynches you. If you see Israel as some kind of psuedo-western state, then yea, you should be shocked. But as a Middle Eastern country, this is just anothe…

This is simply not true. While Inter-religious marriages are often frowned upon, no law prevent any person from a middle east country to marry another person on the basis of different religious background. Please give your sources.

Parent is spreading misinformation.

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Post by zarzavat »

pavelrub wrote: post #115
simiones wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about inter-religious marriages - this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens marrying other Arab or Christian Palestinians (or Lebanese and and a few other countries). This is as if the USA denied the right to extend your citizenship to a Mexican spouse - in some ways worse than the inter-religious thing.

> this is about Arab or Christian Israeli citizens This is incorrect. There is no distinction in the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis. The law applies equally to Israeli Jews who wish to marry a resident of the WB/Gaza, or one of the other countries mentioned in the law.

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.

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Post by hajile »

adielsa wrote: post #140
quelsolaar wrote: post #2

This is an apartheid regime. Plain and simple.

This article doesn’t really provide much in the way of explanation for why this law is being enacted. Here [0] is a better article that quotes supporters and objectors to the law. It includes the (IMHO not very convincing) figures that "Between 1993 and 2003, around 130,000 Palestinians were given Israeli citizenship or residency through family unification, including children, according to court filings. The Shin Bet…

The US let’s in millions of people each year and the number of terrorists is essentially 0.000000%

48 terrorists means somewhere between hundreds and thousands of innocent people died.

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